Born Again?

[Zzyzx]

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Born Again?

Going to church for 1 week or 50 years doesn't make anybody a Christian. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN from above. They may be sincere in thinking they were once Christians, but if they didn't have the born-again experience and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit to the degree that they knew it was real, then I don't believe they were ever real Christians.

Is ER speaking for Christians generally, or is this a reflection of the beliefs of some sects or individuals?

In Christianity, born again means rebirth — namely, spiritual birth into the family of God with Jesus Christ as personal Lord and savior. This is contrasted with the first birth everyone experiences in the flesh (physical world). In the Bible, Jesus stated that only those who are born-again shall see Heaven - "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3).

The term is frequently used by Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Pentecostal and some Mainline branches of Protestant Christianity. It is sometimes associated with non-denominational individuals, groups and churches.

Outside of Christianity, the term "born again" is occasionally used to describe beliefs characterised by renewal, resurgence or return.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_Christianity

It appears as though only certain sects place great emphasis upon "born again". Does that mean that all others are "not Real Christians"?

They would have never left the faith.

Is it true that once a person is "born again" they "NEVER leave the faith"?

How can anyone be certain that they or someone else is "born again" and will never leave the faith?

I have grave reservations about the legitimacy of so many people around here claiming to be former Christians, for the same reason I mention above.

Can the clear statements by members about being Former Christians be credibly dismissed with "I have greave reservations" by someone who knows nothing about the other person's situation? Or is that a presumptuous platitude?

[drs]

Where do you believe innocent children go upon death? (No sidestepping)

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

And do you believe that is good?

Do I believe what is good?

Do you believe it is good if innocent children who pass away go immediately to heaven for eternity?

Honestly, I think it is good for anyone who GOD has mercy on and grants them to go to Heaven for eternity.

[myth-one.com]

Where do you believe innocent children go upon death?

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

But all other humans who are not innocent must accept Jesus as their Savior to avoid your eternal torture in hell.

Do you believe it is good if innocent children who pass away go immediately to heaven for eternity?

Honestly, I think it is good for anyone who GOD has mercy on and grants them to go to Heaven for eternity.

Depressed Christian mothers periodically act on this false theology by sending their children to heaven while in their "innocent years" to avoid the possible eternal torture in hellfire.

Would Jesus design a system where it is a good idea to murder innocent children?

Really now? Honestly, is this really good "Christian" theology? Our Savior Jesus Christ designed a system whereby murdering innocent children is GOOD? Can any Christian explain that to me?

Is it also "Good" that Hitler murdered innocent Jewish children? After all, being born into Jewish families, they might never have believed in Jesus. "Dying in their innocent years" might very well have been their only "salvation." So Adolf Hitler is responsible for tens of thousands of souls being in heaven? Thank you Hitler????????

Someday God will hold us Christians accountable!! It cannot come too soon for me! Bring it on!

Pathetic

[drs]

Where do you believe innocent children go upon death?

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

But all other humans who are not innocent must accept Jesus as their Savior to avoid your eternal torture in hell.

Do you believe it is good if innocent children who pass away go immediately to heaven for eternity?

Honestly, I think it is good for anyone who GOD has mercy on and grants them to go to Heaven for eternity.

Depressed Christian mothers periodically act on this false theology by sending their children to heaven while in their "innocent years" to avoid the possible eternal torture in hellfire.

Would Jesus design a system where it is a good idea to murder innocent children?

Really now? Honestly, is this really good "Christian" theology? Our Savior Jesus Christ designed a system whereby murdering innocent children is GOOD? Can any Christian explain that to me?

Is it also "Good" that Hitler murdered innocent Jewish children? After all, being born into Jewish families, they might never have believed in Jesus. "Dying in their innocent years" might very well have been their only "salvation." So Adolf Hitler is responsible for tens of thousands of souls being in heaven? Thank you Hitler????????

Someday God will hold us Christians accountable!! It cannot come too soon for me! Bring it on!

Pathetic

What are you talking about?

I tell you GOD will have mercy and compassion on whomever He wills, and this is what you say?

[myth-one.com]

What are you talking about?

What did you not understand?

You believe that everyone is born with an immortal soul that will spend eternity in heaven or hell.

But innocent children who die get the only free pass. The others must believe in Jesus as their Savior to avoid eternity in hellfire.

You admit that it is good for anyone to go to heaven.

Innocent children are "anyones," so you must believe it is good when innocent children die and go to heaven.

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Let's look at abortions. Some estimate that 42,000,000 abortions occur worldwide every year! That's 42 million souls going to heaven every year and absolutely not one of them spending eternity scorching in hellfire. From your beliefs, isn't that good?

Praise God for creating such a system????

[drs]

What are you talking about?

What did you not understand?

You believe that everyone is born with an immortal soul that will spend eternity in heaven or hell.

But innocent children who die get the only free pass. The others must believe in Jesus as their Savior to avoid eternity in hellfire.

You admit that it is good for anyone to go to heaven.

Innocent children are "anyones," so you must believe it is good when innocent children die and go to heaven.

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Let's look at abortions. Some estimate that 42,000,000 abortions occur worldwide every year! That's 42 million souls going to heaven every year and absolutely not one of them spending eternity scorching in hellfire. From your beliefs, isn't that good?

Praise God for creating such a system????

First if you are going to quote me I said this

drs
Honestly, I think it is good for anyone who GOD has mercy on and grants them to go to Heaven for eternity.

Every time some one is granted repentence and the gift of faith(to be reborn) this is a act of mercy on behave of GOD.

Next I said this,

drs
There is nothing to explain, there is no specifac scripture in the bible that says exactly what happens to children, infants, unborn babies so I quoted you GOD has mercy and compassion of whomever He wishes.

GOD is the just and righteous judge of the universe and The LORD may do according to His will in these matters.

I honestly don't give it much thought or concern myself with these things because there is nothing I can say of value(only speculation)

Do you know what I mean?

There is no scripture to debate on the subject.

drs
It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

If GOD has mercy on all the children of this world that people kill, thats up to GOD.


So again whats your point?

[myth-one.com]

Drs believes that everyone is born with an immortal soul that will spend eternity in heaven or hell:

... there are two places a soul goes when the body dies.

DRS believes innocent children get a free pass to heaven:

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

And Drs believes it is good when innocent children go to heaven:

Honestly, I think it is good for anyone who GOD has mercy on and grants them to go to Heaven for eternity.

Innocent children are "anyones," so your statement does apply to them.

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That said and backed by your past statements, let's look at abortions once again. Some estimate that 42,000,000 abortions occur worldwide every year! That's 42 million souls going to heaven every year and not one of them spending a second in hellfire. Why isn't that good based on your beliefs?

Are you saying it be better if all 42 million lived a full life (say 80 short years) on earth and then say 30 million of them were tormented in hell eternally!

[drs]

Drs believes that everyone is born with an immortal soul that will spend eternity in heaven or hell:

... there are two places a soul goes when the body dies.

DRS believes innocent children get a free pass to heaven:

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

And Drs believes it is good when innocent children go to heaven:

Honestly, I think it is good for anyone who GOD has mercy on and grants them to go to Heaven for eternity.

Innocent children are "anyones," so your statement does apply to them.

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That said and backed by your past statements, let's look at abortions once again. Some estimate that 42,000,000 abortions occur worldwide every year! That's 42 million souls going to heaven every year and not one of them spending a second in hellfire. Why isn't that good based on your beliefs?

Are you saying it be better if all 42 million lived a full life (say 80 short years) on earth and then say 30 million of them were tormented in hell eternally!

From what you wrote here, good for the 12 million that found grace in the sight of GOD and went to heaven.


What are you realy trying to ask me?

Is it better that all children should die before they can sin?

[myth-one.com]

Is it better that all children should die before they can sin?

For those who really believe what you preach, and also possess any simple logic ability, that is the logical conclusion. Would you risk your child being subjected to intense torture eternally if you could prevent it?

[center]============================= Here's a real life example =============================[/center]
On June 20, 2001, Christian mother Andrea Yates murdered her five children in Houston, Texas.

Three weeks after the drownings, Andrea told psychiatrist Philip Resnick she was failing as a mother and believed she had to kill the children to keep them from going to hell. "These were their innocent years. God would take them up."

Mrs. Yates informed another psychiatrist, Dr. Park Dietz, that she wasn't thinking about Satan at the time of the killings but was praying that her four sons would go to heaven. Apparently she was not certain that all of the boys were still in their innocent years. However, she had no concern about six-month old Mary, because "she was the most innocent of all of them."

Well-meaning Christians now provide positive feedback to Ms. Yates and others by confirming that the children are in heaven for all eternity:

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

This is one consequence of the "Christian" immortal soul theology!
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Question: Would our God, who designed and created everything, create a system whereby the murder of innocent children can be logically justified?

If the answer is no, then that theology is false!

[drs]

Is it better that all children should die before they can sin?

For those who really believe what you preach, and also possess any simple logic ability, that is the logical conclusion. Would you risk your child being subjected to intense torture eternally if you could prevent it?

[center]============================= Here's a real life example =============================[/center]
On June 20, 2001, Christian mother Andrea Yates murdered her five children in Houston, Texas.

Three weeks after the drownings, Andrea told psychiatrist Philip Resnick she was failing as a mother and believed she had to kill the children to keep them from going to hell. "These were their innocent years. God would take them up."

Mrs. Yates informed another psychiatrist, Dr. Park Dietz, that she wasn't thinking about Satan at the time of the killings but was praying that her four sons would go to heaven. Apparently she was not certain that all of the boys were still in their innocent years. However, she had no concern about six-month old Mary, because "she was the most innocent of all of them."

Well-meaning Christians now provide positive feedback to Ms. Yates and others by confirming that the children are in heaven for all eternity:

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

This is one consequence of the "Christian" immortal soul theology!
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Question: Would our God, who designed and created everything, create a system whereby the murder of innocent children can be logically justified?

If the answer is no, then that theology is false!

This is most absurd thing you have said to try to prove there is no soul.

[myth-one.com]

Is it better that all children should die before they can sin?

For those who really believe what you preach, and also possess any simple logic ability, that is the logical conclusion. Would you risk your child being subjected to intense torture eternally if you could prevent it?

[center]============================= Here's a real life example =============================[/center]
On June 20, 2001, Christian mother Andrea Yates murdered her five children in Houston, Texas.

Three weeks after the drownings, Andrea told psychiatrist Philip Resnick she was failing as a mother and believed she had to kill the children to keep them from going to hell. "These were their innocent years. God would take them up."

Mrs. Yates informed another psychiatrist, Dr. Park Dietz, that she wasn't thinking about Satan at the time of the killings but was praying that her four sons would go to heaven. Apparently she was not certain that all of the boys were still in their innocent years. However, she had no concern about six-month old Mary, because "she was the most innocent of all of them."

Well-meaning Christians now provide positive feedback to Ms. Yates and others by confirming that the children are in heaven for all eternity:

It is very simple, if they are innocent, they will go to heaven.

This is one consequence of the "Christian" immortal soul theology!
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Question: Would our God, who designed and created everything, create a system whereby the murder of innocent children can be logically justified?

If the answer is no, then that theology is false!
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This is most absurd thing you have said to try to prove there is no soul.

OK, I'll take that as a "YES as you did not deny the statement.

So your God created a system which can be used to logically justify the murder of innocent children! Incredible!