Hebrews 1 and 2

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The book of Hebrews was written before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. When Hebrews was written, only the Jews were acquainted with the Mosaic law, their traditions, and the oral law.
The Book of Hebrews was written to the Jews, had it been written to the Gentiles, not one in ten thousand could have comprehended it because of their unfamiliarity with the Jewish system.

Jesus of Nazareth is the True God: To convince the Jews, of the truth of this proposition, the writer of the book uses three arguments:
1. Christ is superior to the angels.
2. He is superior to Moses.
3. He is superior to Aaron.

Isaiah 52:13, “Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled (lifted up), and be very high.”

Christ: King of the Jews, elevated above Abraham, Moses; and the angels, all fulfilled in the Jewish Messiah. And because Christ was greater than these, he must be greater than every created being. If understood in this light, according to Jewish phraseology, Jesus is an uncreated Being, infinitely greater than all others, whether earthly or heavenly. For as the Jews allowed the greatest eminence to angels (next to the Father) the writer concludes, “That he who is greater than the angels is truly God:

Hebrews 1:6, “And let all the angels of God worship him.” This would include Lucifer, also called the devil, or Satan.

This is the point of the writer of Hebrews, be it Paul or Luke. His epistles were clear, and his proof lies in the following.

Jesus has a more excellent name than angels, including Michael and Gabriel. Hebrews 1:4, “He has by inheritance (from his Father) obtained a more excellent name than they.”

Jesus is adored by the angels Hebrews 1:6, because he created them, verse 7, “Who made his angels spirits,”

In his human nature, he was endowed with greater gifts than they. Hebrews 1:8-9.

Because Jesus is eternal: Verses 10-11: He laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of his hands: They shall perish; but he will remain.

Jesus is more highly exalted, Hebrews 1:13, the Father said to him, “Sit at my right hand,”

Angels are the servants of God, but Jesus is the Son of God. Verse 14.

The Jews were warned not to neglect Christ. Hebrews 2:1, “Give heed to the things which we (the apostles) have heard,”

A negative argument is given by Divine Revelations.
Jesus is a man, less than the angels. Hebrew 2:6. Therefore, he cannot be superior to them.

How to answer this argument: Jesus, as a mortal, by his death and resurrection, overcame all his enemies, and subdued all things to himself; therefore, he must be greater than the angels, Hebrews 2:9, “Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor: that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

Though Jesus died as a man, and was in respect, inferior to the angels; it was necessary to take on to himself the form of a man and be of the same nature as those he was to redeem; a thing he did without prejudice to his Divinity, read Hebrews 2:10-18.
He is the author and finisher of our faith and of our salvation.
Your thoughts:

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Jesus Christ was found in the fashion of a man, not found in the fashion of the Father. He became lower than the angels. Jesus Christ created angels, therefore he is higher than the angels. Only God can create, therefore Jesus is God. ...

But, Jesus said:

I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I don’t seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me.
John 5:30

That is why I believe God is the creator and Jesus is the mediator between God and men.

You continually quote verses when the Lord Jesus had made himself lower than the angels, made himself of no reputation, made in the likeness of men. He humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Obedient to who? Naturally, he would be obedient to his Father, who else? So of course he would say things like, "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous;" What would you expect him to say while in this humbled condition?

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...So of course he would say things like, "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous;" What would you expect him to say while in this humbled condition?

By what is said in the Bible, God is always greater than him.

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

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...So of course he would say things like, "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous;" What would you expect him to say while in this humbled condition?

By what is said in the Bible, God is always greater than him.

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

Of course, Jesus gives his love and respect to his Father, why wouldn't he?

But Jesus is our Father, Isaiah 9:6. And I'm curious why certain people on this forum don't give Jesus the same respect. Only through Jesus Christ is anyone saved. My advice: because Jesus is our Father, he deserves the same respect from us that he gives his Father.

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... Jesus is our Father...

That appears to be quite distinct from the teachings of Jesus:

John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

 Matt. 5:43 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matt. 6:1 “Take care not to practice your righteousness in front of men to be noticed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. 2 So when you make gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your gifts of mercy may be in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. "

Matt. 6:9  You must pray, then, this way:
“Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. ..."

Matt. 7:11 Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him!

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If you believe God the Father words rather than Jesus, why deny when the Father called Jesus "God" in Psalms 45:6, Heb 1:8?

The Father called also Moses god.

Yahweh said to Moses, “Behold, I have made you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
Exod. 7:1

I think in this case it is good to remember these words:

For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:5-6

Though Moses as "god"to Pharaoh, do Moses has his throne forever?
Jesus' throne is with the Father, forever. (Rev 22:1)

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

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You disobey Jesus by worshiping and serving Jesus, as Jesus said, worship and serve God only.(Mat 4:10)

Bible has this teaching about serving others:

But through love serve one another.
Gal. 5:13

And this, which tells, what we do to others, we do to God also.

Then the King will say to those on His right, Come, the blessed of My Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I hungered, and you gave Me food to eat; I thirsted, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me. Then the righteous will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You ; or thirsting, and gave You drink? And when did we see You a stranger, and took You in; or naked, and clothed You ? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You? And answering, the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you did it to Me. Then He will also say to those on His left, Go away from Me, cursed ones, into the everlasting fire having been prepared for the Devil and his angels. For I hungered, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I thirsted, and you gave me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not take Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me. Then they also will answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to You? Then He will answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did not do it to one of these, the least, neither did you do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
Matt. 25:34-46

I think we should serve others, also Jesus. But we should not keep anything else as our God than the one and only true God, the Father.

Yes, but Jesus said, "worship God and serve Him only.
Do that mean that you serve and worship other than God? You worship Jesus, right?

Do you mean that the disciples of Jesus are one with God in the state of being God?

I think Jesus says we should be one with Jesus and God, the same ways Jesus is one with the God. Jesus doesn't say "in the state of being God".

Yes, Jesus is one with God and in the form of God.
If you believe God the Father words rather than Jesus, why deny when the Father called Jesus "God" in Psalms 45:6, Heb 1:8?

The Father said no such thing. The author of Heb.1:8 was quoting from Psalm 45:6, and he would have written it just the way it was written in the Psalm. The Hebrew handling of this phrase is from a Jewish Bible translated from the Hebrew: "Your divine throne is everlasting," not "Thy throne O God is forever and ever." Why would the writer of Hebrews change it? The throne of Jesus Christ has divine backing. In other words, God is backing up Christ's throne with power and glory given to Christ from the Father.

Another paraphrase translation, not a word for word translation that Bible words in Hebrew and Greek did not exist. No use of Strong Concordance and dictionaries, higher possibility of mis-interpretation, could be guilty of eisegesis.
Don' you have word for word Bible translations?

No, the Jewish Publication Society (JPS) translation of the Bible is not a word-for-word translation.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+jewi ... s-wiz-serp

There are no Bibles with word-for-word translations except an Interlinear Bible.

What Bibles do you know of that are word-for-word?

I can post many, example ESV a word for word translation but not of the same textual basis with KJV, English translations that follow the Codex Vaticanus, and etc.

Yes, the English Standard Version (ESV) of the Bible is an essentially literal translation that emphasizes word-for-word accuracy.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... s-wiz-serp

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If you believe God the Father words rather than Jesus, why deny when the Father called Jesus "God" in Psalms 45:6, Heb 1:8?

The Father called also Moses god.

Yahweh said to Moses, “Behold, I have made you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
Exod. 7:1

I think in this case it is good to remember these words:

For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:5-6

Though Moses as "god"to Pharaoh, do Moses has his throne forever?
Jesus' throne is with the Father, for ever and ever .(Rev 5:13)

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre
Rev 5:13  And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Rev 22:1  And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

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But Jesus is our Father, Isaiah 9:6. And I'm curious why certain people on this forum don't give Jesus the same respect. Only through Jesus Christ is anyone saved. My advice: because Jesus is our Father, he deserves the same respect from us that he gives his Father.

If Jesus is your Father and your God, and you respect him, why don't you believe what he says?

And call no one your father on earth, for One is your Father, the One in Heaven.
Matt. 23:9
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God, and your God.
John 20:17

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...So of course he would say things like, "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous;" What would you expect him to say while in this humbled condition?

By what is said in the Bible, God is always greater than him.

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

Marke: Jesus humbled Himself and became a man. He was not less than equal with God before He became a man and indeed in many respects was still equal with God after He took upon Himself the form of a man.

Philippians 2:5-7
King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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But Jesus is our Father, Isaiah 9:6. And I'm curious why certain people on this forum don't give Jesus the same respect. Only through Jesus Christ is anyone saved. My advice: because Jesus is our Father, he deserves the same respect from us that he gives his Father.

If Jesus is your Father and your God, and you respect him, why don't you believe what he says?

And call no one your father on earth, for One is your Father, the One in Heaven.
Matt. 23:9
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God, and your God.
John 20:17

He was speaking as a man; one made lower than the angels, made a servant. His goal as a man, was to fulfill the will of his Father. The Father's will was, to "Seek and to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Even in the form of a man, what men could not see was what demons could see, and when they saw what men could not see, they fell down and worshipped him.