The Definition of God

[Delphi]

God is often defined as having various extraordinary characteristics. Infinitely loving, all powerful, omniscient, the creator of the Universe, etc.

How can we know that this is indeed true? How can we verify such grandiose assertions? No greater claims could possibly be made!

Normally, we make definitions based on verifiable evidence and observation. For example, we define a giraffe as being a large four-legged grazing mammal with a long neck, hooves, a mouth, a tongue, teeth, and two eyes. We can rationally define a giraffe this way based on verifiable observation. We define a giraffe by going out and finding a giraffe, then defining it based on its attributes.

Yet somehow, God is defined in the opposite manner. We do not go out and find god and define it based on its attributes. Instead, we apply god's characteristics to him without ever observing god. Definitions seem to fabricated out of imagination. I find this extremely dubious.

It seems to me that we are applying these definitions to the concept of a god. We cannot verify nor falsify these attributes.

What is going on here?

[Capbook]

That's one English translator's reading of the Hebrew text. The four Hebrew words mean "throne (you) | God | always | and always." The words for always are different, but synonyms; "eternal and forever" or some such.

The JPS translations (1917 and 1985) are both modern translations. To claim that they somehow represent Judaism of antiquity is just talking through your hat. Furthermore, "your divine throne" isn't remotely the same as "your throne is God" and the Septuagint reading cannot be back-translated as "your divine throne."

That is not true. I have accurately presented the facts of this in a previous post which apparently you have ignored.

Do the the Jews embraced the NT?
What they consider Scriptures is only the OT. Not the Bible.
That is clear that the Jewish Bible Society is a translation.
Would you consider then the original Hebrew text is wrong because of your preferred translation of Psa 45:6?

The original text in the O.T. wrought by Jews is correct. The writer of Hebrews quoted it from the Hebrew Scriptures (what we call the O.T.) with the same meaning as the Jews' translation. "Your divine throne is forever..." All the power came from God to make Jesus the King of His government. The power can be said to be the "throne." "God is your throne forever" would be the meaning.

These are the facts I now presented to you, the original Hebrew text Psa 45:6 and Greek text of Heb 1:8 and it does not say what you've said.

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, H3678  O God, H430  is for ever H5769  and ever: H5703  the sceptre H7626  of thy kingdom H4438  is a right H4334  sceptre. H7626
Psa 45:7 כסאך H3678  אלהים H430  עולם H5769  ועד H5703  שׁבט H7626  מישׁר H4334  שׁבט H7626  מלכותך׃ H4438 

Heb 1:8 But G1161  unto G4314  the G3588  Son G5207  he saith, Thy G4675  throne, G2362  O God, G2316  is for ever and ever: G1519 G165 G165  a sceptre G4464  of righteousness G2118  is the G3588  sceptre G4464  of thy G4675  kingdom. G932
Heb 1:8 προς G4314 PREP  δε G1161 CONJ  τον G3588 T-ASM  υιον G5207 N-ASM  ο G3588 T-NSM  θρονος G2362 N-NSM  σου G4771 P-2GS  ο G3588 T-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  αιωνα G165 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  αιωνος G165 N-GSM  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  ευθυτητος G2118 N-GSF  η G3588 T-NSF  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  της G3588 T-GSF  βασιλειας G932 N-GSF  σου G4771 P-2GS

You prefer to ignore all that I have previously posted about this. I don't think we'll get anywhere in the discussion by going around and around, you asking the same questions over and over, which I answered as clearly as I could. Have you actually looked at a Jewish Bible? I think not. They say just what I have been saying.

Another Jewish version says this: "Thy throne given of God is forever and ever." The Holy Scriptures/ Jewish Publication Society, according to the Masoretic Text, "with the aid of previous versions and with constant consultation of Jewish Authorities. The throne is given to the King by God.

Another version of the Jewish Bible says this: "Your divine throne is everlasting; your royal scepter is a scepter of equity. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with oil of gladness over all your peers." Tanakh, the Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation according to the traditional Hebrew Text.

It is clear from the three Jewish Bibles I have quoted that the text does not say "thy throne O God." You have said that the Jews know what they are saying, and yet you don't accept what they have said in this scripture from the Psalms. It is clear as well that the King has a God.

I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

[onewithhim]

That is not true. I have accurately presented the facts of this in a previous post which apparently you have ignored.

Do the the Jews embraced the NT?
What they consider Scriptures is only the OT. Not the Bible.
That is clear that the Jewish Bible Society is a translation.
Would you consider then the original Hebrew text is wrong because of your preferred translation of Psa 45:6?

The original text in the O.T. wrought by Jews is correct. The writer of Hebrews quoted it from the Hebrew Scriptures (what we call the O.T.) with the same meaning as the Jews' translation. "Your divine throne is forever..." All the power came from God to make Jesus the King of His government. The power can be said to be the "throne." "God is your throne forever" would be the meaning.

These are the facts I now presented to you, the original Hebrew text Psa 45:6 and Greek text of Heb 1:8 and it does not say what you've said.

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, H3678  O God, H430  is for ever H5769  and ever: H5703  the sceptre H7626  of thy kingdom H4438  is a right H4334  sceptre. H7626
Psa 45:7 כסאך H3678  אלהים H430  עולם H5769  ועד H5703  שׁבט H7626  מישׁר H4334  שׁבט H7626  מלכותך׃ H4438 

Heb 1:8 But G1161  unto G4314  the G3588  Son G5207  he saith, Thy G4675  throne, G2362  O God, G2316  is for ever and ever: G1519 G165 G165  a sceptre G4464  of righteousness G2118  is the G3588  sceptre G4464  of thy G4675  kingdom. G932
Heb 1:8 προς G4314 PREP  δε G1161 CONJ  τον G3588 T-ASM  υιον G5207 N-ASM  ο G3588 T-NSM  θρονος G2362 N-NSM  σου G4771 P-2GS  ο G3588 T-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  αιωνα G165 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  αιωνος G165 N-GSM  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  ευθυτητος G2118 N-GSF  η G3588 T-NSF  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  της G3588 T-GSF  βασιλειας G932 N-GSF  σου G4771 P-2GS

You prefer to ignore all that I have previously posted about this. I don't think we'll get anywhere in the discussion by going around and around, you asking the same questions over and over, which I answered as clearly as I could. Have you actually looked at a Jewish Bible? I think not. They say just what I have been saying.

Another Jewish version says this: "Thy throne given of God is forever and ever." The Holy Scriptures/ Jewish Publication Society, according to the Masoretic Text, "with the aid of previous versions and with constant consultation of Jewish Authorities. The throne is given to the King by God.

Another version of the Jewish Bible says this: "Your divine throne is everlasting; your royal scepter is a scepter of equity. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with oil of gladness over all your peers." Tanakh, the Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation according to the traditional Hebrew Text.

It is clear from the three Jewish Bibles I have quoted that the text does not say "thy throne O God." You have said that the Jews know what they are saying, and yet you don't accept what they have said in this scripture from the Psalms. It is clear as well that the King has a God.

I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

[Capbook]

Do the the Jews embraced the NT?
What they consider Scriptures is only the OT. Not the Bible.
That is clear that the Jewish Bible Society is a translation.
Would you consider then the original Hebrew text is wrong because of your preferred translation of Psa 45:6?

The original text in the O.T. wrought by Jews is correct. The writer of Hebrews quoted it from the Hebrew Scriptures (what we call the O.T.) with the same meaning as the Jews' translation. "Your divine throne is forever..." All the power came from God to make Jesus the King of His government. The power can be said to be the "throne." "God is your throne forever" would be the meaning.

These are the facts I now presented to you, the original Hebrew text Psa 45:6 and Greek text of Heb 1:8 and it does not say what you've said.

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, H3678  O God, H430  is for ever H5769  and ever: H5703  the sceptre H7626  of thy kingdom H4438  is a right H4334  sceptre. H7626
Psa 45:7 כסאך H3678  אלהים H430  עולם H5769  ועד H5703  שׁבט H7626  מישׁר H4334  שׁבט H7626  מלכותך׃ H4438 

Heb 1:8 But G1161  unto G4314  the G3588  Son G5207  he saith, Thy G4675  throne, G2362  O God, G2316  is for ever and ever: G1519 G165 G165  a sceptre G4464  of righteousness G2118  is the G3588  sceptre G4464  of thy G4675  kingdom. G932
Heb 1:8 προς G4314 PREP  δε G1161 CONJ  τον G3588 T-ASM  υιον G5207 N-ASM  ο G3588 T-NSM  θρονος G2362 N-NSM  σου G4771 P-2GS  ο G3588 T-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  αιωνα G165 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  αιωνος G165 N-GSM  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  ευθυτητος G2118 N-GSF  η G3588 T-NSF  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  της G3588 T-GSF  βασιλειας G932 N-GSF  σου G4771 P-2GS

You prefer to ignore all that I have previously posted about this. I don't think we'll get anywhere in the discussion by going around and around, you asking the same questions over and over, which I answered as clearly as I could. Have you actually looked at a Jewish Bible? I think not. They say just what I have been saying.

Another Jewish version says this: "Thy throne given of God is forever and ever." The Holy Scriptures/ Jewish Publication Society, according to the Masoretic Text, "with the aid of previous versions and with constant consultation of Jewish Authorities. The throne is given to the King by God.

Another version of the Jewish Bible says this: "Your divine throne is everlasting; your royal scepter is a scepter of equity. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with oil of gladness over all your peers." Tanakh, the Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation according to the traditional Hebrew Text.

It is clear from the three Jewish Bibles I have quoted that the text does not say "thy throne O God." You have said that the Jews know what they are saying, and yet you don't accept what they have said in this scripture from the Psalms. It is clear as well that the King has a God.

I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

[onewithhim]

The original text in the O.T. wrought by Jews is correct. The writer of Hebrews quoted it from the Hebrew Scriptures (what we call the O.T.) with the same meaning as the Jews' translation. "Your divine throne is forever..." All the power came from God to make Jesus the King of His government. The power can be said to be the "throne." "God is your throne forever" would be the meaning.

These are the facts I now presented to you, the original Hebrew text Psa 45:6 and Greek text of Heb 1:8 and it does not say what you've said.

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, H3678  O God, H430  is for ever H5769  and ever: H5703  the sceptre H7626  of thy kingdom H4438  is a right H4334  sceptre. H7626
Psa 45:7 כסאך H3678  אלהים H430  עולם H5769  ועד H5703  שׁבט H7626  מישׁר H4334  שׁבט H7626  מלכותך׃ H4438 

Heb 1:8 But G1161  unto G4314  the G3588  Son G5207  he saith, Thy G4675  throne, G2362  O God, G2316  is for ever and ever: G1519 G165 G165  a sceptre G4464  of righteousness G2118  is the G3588  sceptre G4464  of thy G4675  kingdom. G932
Heb 1:8 προς G4314 PREP  δε G1161 CONJ  τον G3588 T-ASM  υιον G5207 N-ASM  ο G3588 T-NSM  θρονος G2362 N-NSM  σου G4771 P-2GS  ο G3588 T-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  αιωνα G165 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  αιωνος G165 N-GSM  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  ευθυτητος G2118 N-GSF  η G3588 T-NSF  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  της G3588 T-GSF  βασιλειας G932 N-GSF  σου G4771 P-2GS

You prefer to ignore all that I have previously posted about this. I don't think we'll get anywhere in the discussion by going around and around, you asking the same questions over and over, which I answered as clearly as I could. Have you actually looked at a Jewish Bible? I think not. They say just what I have been saying.

Another Jewish version says this: "Thy throne given of God is forever and ever." The Holy Scriptures/ Jewish Publication Society, according to the Masoretic Text, "with the aid of previous versions and with constant consultation of Jewish Authorities. The throne is given to the King by God.

Another version of the Jewish Bible says this: "Your divine throne is everlasting; your royal scepter is a scepter of equity. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with oil of gladness over all your peers." Tanakh, the Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation according to the traditional Hebrew Text.

It is clear from the three Jewish Bibles I have quoted that the text does not say "thy throne O God." You have said that the Jews know what they are saying, and yet you don't accept what they have said in this scripture from the Psalms. It is clear as well that the King has a God.

I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

[Capbook]

These are the facts I now presented to you, the original Hebrew text Psa 45:6 and Greek text of Heb 1:8 and it does not say what you've said.

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, H3678  O God, H430  is for ever H5769  and ever: H5703  the sceptre H7626  of thy kingdom H4438  is a right H4334  sceptre. H7626
Psa 45:7 כסאך H3678  אלהים H430  עולם H5769  ועד H5703  שׁבט H7626  מישׁר H4334  שׁבט H7626  מלכותך׃ H4438 

Heb 1:8 But G1161  unto G4314  the G3588  Son G5207  he saith, Thy G4675  throne, G2362  O God, G2316  is for ever and ever: G1519 G165 G165  a sceptre G4464  of righteousness G2118  is the G3588  sceptre G4464  of thy G4675  kingdom. G932
Heb 1:8 προς G4314 PREP  δε G1161 CONJ  τον G3588 T-ASM  υιον G5207 N-ASM  ο G3588 T-NSM  θρονος G2362 N-NSM  σου G4771 P-2GS  ο G3588 T-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  αιωνα G165 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  αιωνος G165 N-GSM  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  ευθυτητος G2118 N-GSF  η G3588 T-NSF  ραβδος G4464 N-NSF  της G3588 T-GSF  βασιλειας G932 N-GSF  σου G4771 P-2GS

You prefer to ignore all that I have previously posted about this. I don't think we'll get anywhere in the discussion by going around and around, you asking the same questions over and over, which I answered as clearly as I could. Have you actually looked at a Jewish Bible? I think not. They say just what I have been saying.

Another Jewish version says this: "Thy throne given of God is forever and ever." The Holy Scriptures/ Jewish Publication Society, according to the Masoretic Text, "with the aid of previous versions and with constant consultation of Jewish Authorities. The throne is given to the King by God.

Another version of the Jewish Bible says this: "Your divine throne is everlasting; your royal scepter is a scepter of equity. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with oil of gladness over all your peers." Tanakh, the Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation according to the traditional Hebrew Text.

It is clear from the three Jewish Bibles I have quoted that the text does not say "thy throne O God." You have said that the Jews know what they are saying, and yet you don't accept what they have said in this scripture from the Psalms. It is clear as well that the King has a God.

I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp

[onewithhim]

You prefer to ignore all that I have previously posted about this. I don't think we'll get anywhere in the discussion by going around and around, you asking the same questions over and over, which I answered as clearly as I could. Have you actually looked at a Jewish Bible? I think not. They say just what I have been saying.

Another Jewish version says this: "Thy throne given of God is forever and ever." The Holy Scriptures/ Jewish Publication Society, according to the Masoretic Text, "with the aid of previous versions and with constant consultation of Jewish Authorities. The throne is given to the King by God.

Another version of the Jewish Bible says this: "Your divine throne is everlasting; your royal scepter is a scepter of equity. You love righteousness and hate wickedness; rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with oil of gladness over all your peers." Tanakh, the Holy Scriptures, the New JPS Translation according to the traditional Hebrew Text.

It is clear from the three Jewish Bibles I have quoted that the text does not say "thy throne O God." You have said that the Jews know what they are saying, and yet you don't accept what they have said in this scripture from the Psalms. It is clear as well that the King has a God.

I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp

Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.

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I have posted the original text of Hebrew and original Greek of the subject verses but you have not.
You have not presented facts of originals, just citing versions and translations.
Can't you not post your Hebrew and Greek text just like what I did?

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp

Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.

Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.

[onewithhim]

I don't know how to do it on my computer. I'm "technologically challenged." So we have to go by comparing versions and translations. Please comment on what I posted about the versions and translations.

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp

Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.

Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.

How can you say that BeDuhn is only a historian and "not a credential Bible lexicographer"? Where did you get that information? He is certainly one who focuses on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.

[Capbook]

There various translations, some are bias.
It's much better to come to the originals, the roots of Bible words in Hebrew or in Greek.
I believe there are many JW here that can assist you with that.

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp

Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.

Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.

How can you say that BeDuhn is only a historian and "not a credential Bible lexicographer"? Where did you get that information? He is certainly one who focuses on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.

He is a historian and was not described as a lexicographer, just click the Wikipedia link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

[onewithhim]

You are right. It would be better to know Greek and Hebrew. But even I can see the difference in the Greek sentence as to who is THE God and who is "god" without the article.

Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.

Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.

Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp

Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.

Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.

How can you say that BeDuhn is only a historian and "not a credential Bible lexicographer"? Where did you get that information? He is certainly one who focuses on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.

He is a historian and was not described as a lexicographer, just click the Wikipedia link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn

His book's producers say that he is an associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University, in Flagstaff. He holds a B.A. in religious studies from the University of Illinois, an M.T.S. in New Testament and Christian Origins from Harvard Divinity School, and a Ph.D. in the comparative study of Religions from Indiana University. He is the author of many articles in the areas of Biblical Studies and Manichaean Studies. The Johns Hopkins University Press gave him the honor of the winner of the "Best First Book" prize from the American Academy of Religion. He obviously has more credentials than you give him credit for. This Academy wouldn't give him the prize of a best book if he were only a historian.

Why don't you read further in the Wikipedia link, and especially where it says "Projects." Is this a man who is merely a historian? I think not.