The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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The Bible claims an Exodus took place. Many state it was not an actual event. Since the Bible makes a positive claim, in that an 'Exodus" took place, do we have positive evidence to support the claim?

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1. Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

2. If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?
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POI wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:26 am
1213 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:14 am
POI wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:45 am
1213 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:18 am Maybe because most of the died? Or that your claim is not really true.
You obviously never watched the video. Otherwise, you likely would not respond like this...
Ok, so the questions that I took from your post [Replying to POI in post #75] were not actually from the video? I think they could be answered without watching the poor atheist propaganda.
They kind of can't. ...
I think the points you had can be answered without watching the video. But, if you disagree, why did you post them here?

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:23 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:49 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:03 pm Whether archaeological evidence exists or whether people are aware of the evidence or whether people accept the evidence is immaterial to the fact that if an event happened then it happened.
I agree with you.
Why do you think there is no evidence for an exodus event as told in the Bible?
Time has erased massive amounts of evidence from ancient history, yet archaelogists are still uncovering more evidence that supports the Biblical historical narratives.
I acknowledge that time can and has erased evidence from ancient history.
I'll try asking again.
Why do you think there is no evidence for an exodus event as told in the Bible? Millions of people wandering an area for decades, and there is no evidence for it. Has your claimed morphed into 'time has erased all evidence'?
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1213 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:38 am I think the points you had can be answered without watching the video. But, if you disagree, why did you post them here?
If you watched the video, you would understand that the answers you gave are not sufficient. This is why I offered the video and the questions associated with them.
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POI wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:17 pm
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:38 am I think the points you had can be answered without watching the video. But, if you disagree, why did you post them here?
If you watched the video, you would understand that the answers you gave are not sufficient.
If so, then the video must have false information. Could you show with one example what do you mean?

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Clownboat wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:18 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:23 pm
Clownboat wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:49 pm
marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:03 pm Whether archaeological evidence exists or whether people are aware of the evidence or whether people accept the evidence is immaterial to the fact that if an event happened then it happened.
I agree with you.
Why do you think there is no evidence for an exodus event as told in the Bible?
Time has erased massive amounts of evidence from ancient history, yet archaelogists are still uncovering more evidence that supports the Biblical historical narratives.
I acknowledge that time can and has erased evidence from ancient history.
I'll try asking again.
Why do you think there is no evidence for an exodus event as told in the Bible? Millions of people wandering an area for decades, and there is no evidence for it. Has your claimed morphed into 'time has erased all evidence'?
You are wrong. Evidence that supports the Biblical record exist whether you are willing to admit it or not.

Here are just two of dozens of sources detailing archaelogogical evidence that support the Biblical record.

1. https://mattperman.com/1996/03/historic ... %20trusted. 3-14-96
Historical Evidence for the Bible
2. https://www.josh.org/archeology-validates-bible/

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1213 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:29 am
POI wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:17 pm
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:38 am I think the points you had can be answered without watching the video. But, if you disagree, why did you post them here?
If you watched the video, you would understand that the answers you gave are not sufficient.
If so, then the video must have false information. Could you show with one example what do you mean?
Why can't you just watch the video? It's not that long.
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marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:04 am You are wrong. Evidence that supports the Biblical record exist whether you are willing to admit it or not.
I am in fact not wrong that there isn't evidence for the exodus event as told in the Bible. Your bait and switch to now discussing Biblical evidence in general and not the exodus event like we are discussing here is shameful and you're not fooling anyone. Please see the title of the thread you joined and note that it does NOT claim that there is no evidence at all for things contained in the Bible.
Here are just two of dozens of sources detailing archaelogogical evidence that support the Biblical record.

1. https://mattperman.com/1996/03/historic ... %20trusted. 3-14-96
Historical Evidence for the Bible
2. https://www.josh.org/archeology-validates-bible/
I searched both of these sites for 'exodus' and found nothing.
Jesus would be rolling in his grave right now if he knew how dishonest you are being here. Shame on you.

To remind the readers, my question that this poster cannot answer has been: "Why do you think there is no evidence for an exodus event as told in the Bible?"
Instead, this poster created a strawman argument by falsely pretending that I'm asking why there is no evidence that supports the Bible in general. Shame, shame, shame. The real irony is that if we could ask Jesus who is being more Christlike in this debate, it would be myself. When it comes to debating, does it seem that I am more honest and therefore the better Christian? :-k

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You will know them by their fruits.
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POI wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:14 am
1213 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:29 am
POI wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:17 pm
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:38 am I think the points you had can be answered without watching the video. But, if you disagree, why did you post them here?
If you watched the video, you would understand that the answers you gave are not sufficient.
If so, then the video must have false information. Could you show with one example what do you mean?
Why can't you just watch the video? It's not that long.
Obviously the reason is because it would challenge a belief they are desperately trying to maintain. Sticking your head in the sand when evidence is provided is a mechanism to remain ignorant, thus the desired belief is protected. There is no other reason I can think of to refuse to view evidence.
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It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

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POI wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:14 am Why can't you just watch the video?
It is painful to listen his deceiving speech, especially when it is done in his style. If I listen it, then I have to comment also there all the false claims. And unfortunately I don't yet have enough time for that. But, I hope I can soon do that.

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1213 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:26 am
POI wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:14 am Why can't you just watch the video?
It is painful to listen his deceiving speech, especially when it is done in his style. If I listen it, then I have to comment also there all the false claims.
It's ironic... I feel this exact same way every time my wife asks me to attend church with her, and I have to listen to the pastor.
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