The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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The Bible claims an Exodus took place. Many state it was not an actual event. Since the Bible makes a positive claim, in that an 'Exodus" took place, do we have positive evidence to support the claim?

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1. Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

2. If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?
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Re: The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:40 pm
POI wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:48 pm
marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 am Not being aware of evidence does not prove no evidence exists.
A claim this large would leave evidence.
You may think a claim so big wold leave lots of evidence but that is an opinion you will have a hard time proving. Take fossils of dinosaurs in the Sahara desert, for example. There seems to be little debate that millions of dinosaurs once roamed what is now the Sahara but it was only recently that a significant find was finally uncovered in what has been described as the "Holy Grail" researchers had been fruitlessly looking for for a very long time.

https://www.kidsnews.com.au/science/sah ... 766877acf4


Very few dinosaur fossils from the late Cretaceous period, about 100 to 66 million years ago, have been unearthed on the African continent.

Discovered in the Sahara Desert in Egypt, Mansourasaurus is the most complete dinosaur skeleton from the late Cretaceous era (66 to 100 million years ago) ever found in Africa.

The remains include scattered bits of the creature’s vertebrae, skull, lower jaw, ribs, and leg bones.

Mansourasaurus is a titanosaur, a group which included some of the biggest land animals ever to have lived.

“When I first saw pics of the fossils, my jaw hit the floor,” said study co-author Matt Lamanna of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History.

“This was the Holy Grail* — a well-preserved dinosaur from the end of the Age of Dinosaurs in Africa — that we palaeontologists had been searching for a long, long time.”
All you continue to offer is more excuse(s) as to why there exists no evidence to support the claim that millions of folks inhabited an area and was enslaved for hundreds of years. Did you happen to watch the video from post 8 and also see the follow-up in post 75, just for starters?
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Re: The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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POI wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:20 am
marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:40 pm
POI wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:48 pm
marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 am Not being aware of evidence does not prove no evidence exists.
A claim this large would leave evidence.
You may think a claim so big wold leave lots of evidence but that is an opinion you will have a hard time proving. Take fossils of dinosaurs in the Sahara desert, for example. There seems to be little debate that millions of dinosaurs once roamed what is now the Sahara but it was only recently that a significant find was finally uncovered in what has been described as the "Holy Grail" researchers had been fruitlessly looking for for a very long time.

https://www.kidsnews.com.au/science/sah ... 766877acf4


Very few dinosaur fossils from the late Cretaceous period, about 100 to 66 million years ago, have been unearthed on the African continent.

Discovered in the Sahara Desert in Egypt, Mansourasaurus is the most complete dinosaur skeleton from the late Cretaceous era (66 to 100 million years ago) ever found in Africa.

The remains include scattered bits of the creature’s vertebrae, skull, lower jaw, ribs, and leg bones.

Mansourasaurus is a titanosaur, a group which included some of the biggest land animals ever to have lived.

“When I first saw pics of the fossils, my jaw hit the floor,” said study co-author Matt Lamanna of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History.

“This was the Holy Grail* — a well-preserved dinosaur from the end of the Age of Dinosaurs in Africa — that we palaeontologists had been searching for a long, long time.”
All you continue to offer is more excuse(s) as to why there exists no evidence to support the claim that millions of folks inhabited an area and was enslaved for hundreds of years. Did you happen to watch the video from post 8 and also see the follow-up in post 75, just for starters?
I admit I have not read or viewed all the contrary books and videos attempting to disprove the Biblical record of the Jewish exodus from Egypt.

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There is evidence of Jewish presence in Egypt from ancient times through the late third century CE:
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A mid-19th century BCE tomb painting that depicts a group of people from Canaan or the surrounding area arriving in Egypt. The painting shows the group's skin color, hair, beards, clothes, and items they are carrying.

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Re: The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:55 am I admit I have not read or viewed all the contrary books and videos attempting to disprove the Biblical record of the Jewish exodus from Egypt.
Okay.
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There is evidence of Jewish presence in Egypt from ancient times through the late third century CE:
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Please watch the video and address the points in post 75 as well.
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1213 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:18 am Maybe because most of the died? Or that your claim is not really true.
You obviously never watched the video. Otherwise, you likely would not respond like this...
1213 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:18 am Could it be that they took everything with them, when they left? Shouldn't be much, if they were slaves.
You obviously never watched the video. Otherwise, you likely would not respond like this...

More of the same from the rest of your responses. I suggest you watch the video to get yourself up to speed and then circle back so we can have a real discussion.
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Re: The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

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POI wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:28 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:55 am I admit I have not read or viewed all the contrary books and videos attempting to disprove the Biblical record of the Jewish exodus from Egypt.
Okay.
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There is evidence of Jewish presence in Egypt from ancient times through the late third century CE:
The Ibscha Relief
A mid-19th century BCE tomb painting that depicts a group of people from Canaan or the surrounding area arriving in Egypt. The painting shows the group's skin color, hair, beards, clothes, and items they are carrying.
Please watch the video and address the points in post 75 as well.
I don't feel led to watch an indoctrinationist video. We can discuss the individual points ourselves or we can allow the video propagandist to propagate his ideas on others without our participation.

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:58 am I don't feel led to watch an indoctrinationist video. We can discuss the individual points ourselves or we can allow the video propagandist to propagate his ideas on others without our participation.
Um, okay? You can address some of the points listed in post 75, but the video also provides more context, as to not waste time.
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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:58 am I don't feel led to watch an indoctrinationist video.
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POI wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:34 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:58 am I don't feel led to watch an indoctrinationist video. We can discuss the individual points ourselves or we can allow the video propagandist to propagate his ideas on others without our participation.
Um, okay? You can address some of the points listed in post 75, but the video also provides more context, as to not waste time.
Your source ignores the archaerological evidence of the fallen walls at Jericho.

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:30 pm
POI wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:34 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:58 am I don't feel led to watch an indoctrinationist video. We can discuss the individual points ourselves or we can allow the video propagandist to propagate his ideas on others without our participation.
Um, okay? You can address some of the points listed in post 75, but the video also provides more context, as to not waste time.
Your source ignores the archaerological evidence of the fallen walls at Jericho.
What about it?
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POI wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:45 am
1213 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:18 am Maybe because most of the died? Or that your claim is not really true.
You obviously never watched the video. Otherwise, you likely would not respond like this...
Ok, so the questions that I took from your post [Replying to POI in post #75] were not actually from the video? I think they could be answered without watching the poor atheist propaganda.

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