Does Hell Exist?

[Data]

The question for debate is does hell exist? If so, what does the Bible teach hell is?

[onewithhim]

Yes an the example is that the ungodly face destruction (not necessarily by literal fire)

Yes, destruction by real fire that turned them to ashes.

Yes Sodom and Gommorrah was destroyed by literal fire that turned them to ashes, the pattern left does not however concern literal fire.

What do you mean by,"the pattern left does not however concern literal fire."?
Is it not the same to the lake fire for those who lived ungodly?

The lake of fire is not literal. It is symbolic of everlasting destruction, just as is Gehenna and "the fire reserved for the Devil and his angels."

So those whose names are not written in the Book of Life are destroyed by being cast unto a symbol?

Don't you understand what a symbol is? It is amusing that you don't seem to get it. The fire is symbolic for total destruction.

The fire is the cause of death for those cast into it.

If the fire doesn't kill those cast into it, then what kills them?

The second death is an everlasting punishment and total destruction.

The second death is administered by one being cast into a real lake of fire and brimstone.

What is "total destruction"? Wouldn't that mean non-existence? The fire is symbolic for the total destruction of an individual. You ask "then what kills them?" God Himself kills them. It doesn't take much for Him to do that, I think you might agree. All He has to do is will it.

The fire is real, those cast into the fire are quickly and totally destroyed for all eternity by the fire. They will never live again by their choice.

That is true, thank you, though the fire is symbolic for the complete destruction.

[Capbook]

Just like Sodom and Gommorrah burned to ashes by real fire, making an example to those who will live ungodly.

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Yes an the example is that the ungodly face destruction (not necessarily by literal fire)

Yes, destruction by real fire that turned them to ashes.

Yes Sodom and Gommorrah was destroyed by literal fire that turned them to ashes, the pattern left does not however concern literal fire.

What do you mean by,"the pattern left does not however concern literal fire."?
Is it not the same to the lake fire for those who lived ungodly?

The lake of fire is not literal. It is symbolic of everlasting destruction, just as is Gehenna and "the fire reserved for the Devil and his angels."

The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would result to everlasting destruction.
Is that phrase acceptable to you?

[JehovahsWitness]

The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would result to everlasting destruction.
Is that phrase acceptable to you?

The phrase acceptable is in the bible, whichever reliable translation that might be. The MEANING comes from understanding the biblical context and it is clear in revelation most of the references are SYMBOLIC whichever phrase is used.

[Capbook]

The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would result to everlasting destruction.
Is that phrase acceptable to you?

The phrase acceptable is in the bible, whichever reliable translation that might be. The MEANING comes from understanding the biblical context and it is clear in revelation most of the references are SYMBOLIC whichever phrase is used.

So, result and symbolic is synonym to you then.

[JehovahsWitness]

So, result and symbolic is synonym to you then.

No, result means the conclusion of a given action.
Symbolic means expressing or representing an idea with symbols.

[Capbook]

So, result and symbolic is synonym to you then.

No, result means the conclusion of a given action.
Symbolic means expressing or representing an idea with symbols.

Would that usage of result and symbolic would arrive to the same point? Everlasting destruction?

The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would result to everlasting destruction.
The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would be symbolic to everlasting destruction.

[JehovahsWitness]

The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would result to everlasting destruction.
The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would be symbolic to everlasting destruction.

There is no need to rewrite the bible, the meaning is given in the introduction to Revelation. When we understand that the bible book of Revelation is given in symbols then we can leave the words in scripture unchanged and read them with discernment.

Are they visions of Revelation to be taken literally or symbolically?
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If you are confused as to what specific English words means may I suggest a good online dictionary.




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[Capbook]

The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would result to everlasting destruction.
The lake of fire that turns those who lived ungodly into ashes, would be symbolic to everlasting destruction.

There is no need to rewrite the bible, the meaning is given in the introduction to Revelation. When we understand that the bible book of Revelation is given in symbols then we can leave the words in scripture unchanged and read them with discernment.

Are they visions of Revelation to be taken literally or symbolically?
viewtopic.php?p=1153763#p1153763

If you are confused as to what specific English words means may I suggest a good online dictionary.




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Fire are mentioned not only in Revelation.
And I did not rewrite, as symbolic is not in that verse also.

[JehovahsWitness]

Fire are mentioned not only in Revelation.
And I did not rewrite, as symbolic is not in that verse also.

This is true. In other books of the bible sometimes literal "fire" is being mentioned and sometimes figurative or symbolic fire is being mentioned. It comes down to context.



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[Capbook]

Fire are mentioned not only in Revelation.
And I did not rewrite, as symbolic is not in that verse also.

This is true. In other books of the bible sometimes literal "fire" is being mentioned and sometimes figurative or symbolic fire is being mentioned. It comes down to context.



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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 77#p809077

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I prefer lexicon, it defines the words usage at that certain of time.
Hermeneutics, man's own interpretation.
I prefer verse interpreted/supported by another verse and no man's own interpretation.