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Philippians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
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What is the name above all names?
Barne's did not mentioned a single name but names where Jesus stand alone.
[And given him a name which is above every name] No other name can be compared with his. It stands alone. He only is Redeemer, Saviour. He only is Christ, the Anointed of God; see the notes at Heb 1:4. He only is the Son of God. His rank, his titles, his dignity, are above all others; see this illustrated in the notes at Eph 1:20-21.
(from Barnes' Notes.)
Jesus can't be God and also his own Son. Barnes finds himself contradictory in this. Jesus is definitely the Son of God, not God, and his name is higher than anyone on Earth. Everyone will show him the highest respect and honor, with the one exception, of course, being the Father that GAVE Jesus that name and position. The Father is the most high and has always been and always will be. (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus comes in second. He is fine with that. (John 14:24; John 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 3:12)

You will notice in Philippians 2:9,10 that everything associated with Jesus is to the glory of God the Father.
Outside of Jesus can you do anything to the glory of God the Father? If you are humble and say no then how is it possible that only through Jesus can we bring glory to God the Father?

How can a not God thing bring glory to God the Father?

To make it plain only God can glorify himself and so if Jesus is glorifying God then Jesus must be God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Jesus glorified God by the things he said and did. (Philippians 2:9-11) All those faithful to Jehovah can glorify Him by acting on his moral and spiritual standards.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:21 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #10]

Jesus glorified God by the things he said and did. (Philippians 2:9-11) All those faithful to Jehovah can glorify Him by acting on his moral and spiritual standards.
And do you love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbour as yourself?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:21 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:21 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #10]

Jesus glorified God by the things he said and did. (Philippians 2:9-11) All those faithful to Jehovah can glorify Him by acting on his moral and spiritual standards.
And do you love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbour as yourself?
Yes, such as my mind and heart are at this point. I'm not perfect, but I can live up to my love for God the best that I can for an imperfect human. And I believe that that is acceptable to God.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:10 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:21 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:21 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #10]

Jesus glorified God by the things he said and did. (Philippians 2:9-11) All those faithful to Jehovah can glorify Him by acting on his moral and spiritual standards.
And do you love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbour as yourself?
Yes, such as my mind and heart are at this point. I'm not perfect, but I can live up to my love for God the best that I can for an imperfect human. And I believe that that is acceptable to God.
Wow, to my mind that is shameful arrogance to think you keep God's laws. The Bible says that if you say you are without sin you are liar. Do you want to re-answer that?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:28 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:10 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:21 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:21 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #10]

Jesus glorified God by the things he said and did. (Philippians 2:9-11) All those faithful to Jehovah can glorify Him by acting on his moral and spiritual standards.
And do you love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbour as yourself?
Yes, such as my mind and heart are at this point. I'm not perfect, but I can live up to my love for God the best that I can for an imperfect human. And I believe that that is acceptable to God.
Wow, to my mind that is shameful arrogance to think you keep God's laws. The Bible says that if you say you are without sin you are liar. Do you want to re-answer that?
Where did I say that I am without sin?

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Wootah wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:28 pm Wow, to my mind that is shameful arrogance to think you keep God's laws. The Bible says that if you say you are without sin you are liar. Do you want to re-answer that?
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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:35 pm
Wootah wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:28 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:10 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:21 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:21 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #10]

Jesus glorified God by the things he said and did. (Philippians 2:9-11) All those faithful to Jehovah can glorify Him by acting on his moral and spiritual standards.
And do you love God with all your heart mind and soul and your neighbour as yourself?
Yes, such as my mind and heart are at this point. I'm not perfect, but I can live up to my love for God the best that I can for an imperfect human. And I believe that that is acceptable to God.
Wow, to my mind that is shameful arrogance to think you keep God's laws. The Bible says that if you say you are without sin you are liar. Do you want to re-answer that?
Where did I say that I am without sin?
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You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
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Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?

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