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onewithhim wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 9:08 am
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Philippians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
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What is the name above all names?
Barne's did not mentioned a single name but names where Jesus stand alone.
[And given him a name which is above every name] No other name can be compared with his. It stands alone. He only is Redeemer, Saviour. He only is Christ, the Anointed of God; see the notes at Heb 1:4. He only is the Son of God. His rank, his titles, his dignity, are above all others; see this illustrated in the notes at Eph 1:20-21.
(from Barnes' Notes.)
Jesus can't be God and also his own Son. Barnes finds himself contradictory in this. Jesus is definitely the Son of God, not God, and his name is higher than anyone on Earth. Everyone will show him the highest respect and honor, with the one exception, of course, being the Father that GAVE Jesus that name and position. The Father is the most high and has always been and always will be. (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus comes in second. He is fine with that. (John 14:24; John 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 3:12)

You will notice in Philippians 2:9,10 that everything associated with Jesus is to the glory of God the Father.
Outside of Jesus can you do anything to the glory of God the Father? If you are humble and say no then how is it possible that only through Jesus can we bring glory to God the Father?

How can a not God thing bring glory to God the Father?

To make it plain only God can glorify himself and so if Jesus is glorifying God then Jesus must be God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.

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Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? (1 John 1:9)
2. Are you sure with your "no" answer? Deliberately done?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:27 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? (1 John 1:9)
2. Are you sure with your "no" answer? Deliberately done?
You ask God to pardon all of our sins. He knows what we have done, and as long as the sins are not deliberate He will forgive them by means of Christ's sacrifice.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:32 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:27 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? (1 John 1:9)
2. Are you sure with your "no" answer? Deliberately done?
You ask God to pardon all of our sins. He knows what we have done, and as long as the sins are not deliberate He will forgive them by means of Christ's sacrifice.
Then how would you repent? How would you change your life?
How would you avoid that sin you don't know you have been doing?
As God forgives us when we confess our sins.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:32 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:27 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? (1 John 1:9)
2. Are you sure with your "no" answer? Deliberately done?
You ask God to pardon all of our sins. He knows what we have done, and as long as the sins are not deliberate He will forgive them by means of Christ's sacrifice.
Then how would you repent? How would you change your life?
How would you avoid that sin you don't know you have been doing?
As God forgives us when we confess our sins.
One repents of his deliberate sins when he finds out what God's will is. Then he refrains from deliberately sinning. He also asks God to forgive his inherited sins that came from Adam's faulty genes. An imperfect man cannot produce perfect children. We are not held accountable for Adam's sins. That is why Christ died for us imperfect people.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:27 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? (1 John 1:9)
2. Are you sure with your "no" answer? Deliberately done?
I retract my answer of "no." It should be "yes." When we know that we commit a mistake, it is not deliberately done.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:09 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:27 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:14 am
onewithhim wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:03 am
Wootah wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:35 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #17]

You believe you a sinful human are acceptable to God.
Yes. He knows that every human is sinful. That is why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. When we accept his sacrifice we are considered "righteous" and are acceptable to Him. He admonishes us to follow in Jesus' footsteps, and this we try our best to do. When we err we ask for forgiveness and do not do it again. We don't deliberately sin. There is a big difference in deliberate sin and Adamic sin.
Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it?
When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done?
We can't help committing sins because we are descendants of Adam. He committed deliberate sins and became imperfect, like a dent in a cake pan. All of his progeny inherited this "dent." Even though we have the tendency to commit sins, we don't have to commit deliberate sins. That is the sin that Christ's blood does not cover. His blood covers all of the sins that are truly mistakes, which sometimes we don't even realize. How are we to realize our Adamic sins? I don't know of examples. If anyone else does, please share your ideas. I just know that when God says "don't commit fornication" and we go ahead anyway, that is deliberate sin, and Christ's blood doesn't cover it. (I John 5:16; Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26)
You did not answer my two questions;

1. Do it happen that we commit sin not knowing it? Yes or No.
2. When we know that we commit the mistake, does it mean it is not deliberately done? Yes or No.
I believe that I had answered these.
1. Yes
2. No
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? (1 John 1:9)
2. Are you sure with your "no" answer? Deliberately done?
I retract my answer of "no." It should be "yes." When we know that we commit a mistake, it is not deliberately done.
Ok.
1. Then, how could you confess that sin that you don't know you've done? And to avoid doing it again? (1 John 1:9)

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