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onewithhim wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 9:08 am
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Philippians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
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What is the name above all names?
Barne's did not mentioned a single name but names where Jesus stand alone.
[And given him a name which is above every name] No other name can be compared with his. It stands alone. He only is Redeemer, Saviour. He only is Christ, the Anointed of God; see the notes at Heb 1:4. He only is the Son of God. His rank, his titles, his dignity, are above all others; see this illustrated in the notes at Eph 1:20-21.
(from Barnes' Notes.)
Jesus can't be God and also his own Son. Barnes finds himself contradictory in this. Jesus is definitely the Son of God, not God, and his name is higher than anyone on Earth. Everyone will show him the highest respect and honor, with the one exception, of course, being the Father that GAVE Jesus that name and position. The Father is the most high and has always been and always will be. (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus comes in second. He is fine with that. (John 14:24; John 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 3:12)

You will notice in Philippians 2:9,10 that everything associated with Jesus is to the glory of God the Father.
Outside of Jesus can you do anything to the glory of God the Father? If you are humble and say no then how is it possible that only through Jesus can we bring glory to God the Father?

How can a not God thing bring glory to God the Father?

To make it plain only God can glorify himself and so if Jesus is glorifying God then Jesus must be God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 9:20 pm ...
How can a not God thing bring glory to God the Father?...
By giving God credit for all the great things He has done.

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1213 wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 12:15 am
Wootah wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 9:20 pm ...
How can a not God thing bring glory to God the Father?...
By giving God credit for all the great things He has done.
God doesn't need you to glorify himself. God wouldn't accept it. God glorifies himself because then he knows the glorification is worthy of himself.

edit: Do you 1213 think that you give glory to God?
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Wootah wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 12:36 am
1213 wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 12:15 am
Wootah wrote: Tue May 28, 2024 9:20 pm ...
How can a not God thing bring glory to God the Father?...
By giving God credit for all the great things He has done.
God doesn't need you to glorify himself. God wouldn't accept it. God glorifies himself because then he knows the glorification is worthy of himself.

edit: Do you 1213 think that you give glory to God?
What do you think glorifying means?

I think it means to give credit to God, which then shows how great He is.

I can agree that God doesn't need anything from me for:

The God who made the world and all things in it, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, doesn't dwell in temples made with hands, neither is he served by men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself gives to all life and breath, and all things.
Acts 17:24-25

I think without God I would be nothing, so in that way I give credit and thanks to God for anything good I have done. Is it not the same as giving glory to God?

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[Replying to 1213 in post #4]

I think God glorifies himself. I give glory to God in the sense that I am His enemy taken captive.

I think if Jesus glorifies God then Jesus is God because no not God thing can glorify God.
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Wootah wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 12:23 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]

I think God glorifies himself. I give glory to God in the sense that I am His enemy taken captive.

I think if Jesus glorifies God then Jesus is God because no not God thing can glorify God.
Why do you think you are His enemy?

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language says about glorify, "To give glory, honor, or high praise to; exalt". I don't see any reason why people could not praise God.

A voice came forth from the throne, saying, "Give praise to our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, the small and the great!"
Rev. 19:5

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1213 wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 11:49 pm
Wootah wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 12:23 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]

I think God glorifies himself. I give glory to God in the sense that I am His enemy taken captive.

I think if Jesus glorifies God then Jesus is God because no not God thing can glorify God.
Why do you think you are His enemy?

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language says about glorify, "To give glory, honor, or high praise to; exalt". I don't see any reason why people could not praise God.

A voice came forth from the throne, saying, "Give praise to our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, the small and the great!"
Rev. 19:5
Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
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Wootah wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 12:33 am Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
Ok, interesting, I don't think that necessary means everyone has been God's enemy.

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1213 wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 2:43 am
Wootah wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 12:33 am Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
Ok, interesting, I don't think that necessary means everyone has been God's enemy.
Like who?
Romans 8:7
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7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
Unless we are being transformed by God to be like God our mind is hostile to God.
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Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 5:59 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 2:43 am
Wootah wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 12:33 am Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
Ok, interesting, I don't think that necessary means everyone has been God's enemy.
Like who?
Were David, Noah, or Abraham God's enemies? Why do you think so?

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