Lake of fire

[achilles12604]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #108]

This is the best I could do. I can't edit it in the original post #103 (you had it right the first time).My apologies. This is one of the reasons i write in blue but sometimes I mess it up. Thanks again. I haven't found the other one you spoke of but I'll keep looking.

So yes those “old natures” need to go away and one of them is pride.

Maybe you should swallow yours and realize that destruction is part of the process in which we are saved.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do MORTIFY (kill) the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Rom 8:13 )

Oh so now we are down to attacking me.

Yes, that's good. Thank you.

[Capbook]

You did not read Ezek 28:18, ashes comes to those who do sins.

Please don't accuse me of something when you don't even know me. If you wish to prove something then prove it.

And review your used text, the "everyone" refers to believers.

That logic is just not.

Phil 2:10, "at the name of Jesus" they know and believer of Jesus.
And you use Isaiah, they are those who accept the offer of the gospel. Gospel is the good news of Jesus. "Everyone" refers to believers.

Well maybe your definition of everyone is not everyone but that is just not how I was taught.

Could you mention who sinned and will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28:18?
In Phil 2:10, Are those knees that bow know Jesus or not?

[EBA]

Sorry for replying late. Haven't checked in for awhile.

Could you mention who sinned and will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28:18?

The son of perdition.

You and I and any other person who’s been given Godly things, but then becomes haughty in heart; those that deny the scriptural fact that all is of God thereby declaring their FREE WILL as the director of their own destiny.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Th 2:3-4)

Here we have a second witness; and in, of all places, Ezekiel:

YOU KEEP SAYING, ‘I am a god. I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the sea.’ BUT YOU ARE ONLY A MAN, not a god, Though in your heart you feel that you are a god. (Eze 28:2)

In Phil 2:10, Are those knees that bow know Jesus or not?

Yes. And though not many know him now, once the lake of fire is through with them, they will:

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

[Capbook]

Sorry for replying late. Haven't checked in for awhile.

Could you mention who sinned and will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28:18?

The son of perdition.

You and I and any other person who’s been given Godly things, but then becomes haughty in heart; those that deny the scriptural fact that all is of God thereby declaring their FREE WILL as the director of their own destiny.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Th 2:3-4)

Here we have a second witness; and in, of all places, Ezekiel:

YOU KEEP SAYING, ‘I am a god. I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the sea.’ BUT YOU ARE ONLY A MAN, not a god, Though in your heart you feel that you are a god. (Eze 28:2)

In Phil 2:10, Are those knees that bow know Jesus or not?

Yes. And though not many know him now, once the lake of fire is through with them, they will:

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

The Lord that said that who sinned will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28;18, Is it Scriptural or not?
The every knee that bow in Phil 2:10, do that refer to everyone that know Jesus or not?

[EBA]

The Lord that said that who sinned will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28;18, Is it Scriptural or not?
The every knee that bow in Phil 2:10, do that refer to everyone that know Jesus or not?

Ezekiel 28:18
King James Version
Thou (king of Tyrus) hast defiled thy (king of Tyrus) sanctuaries by the multitude of thine (king of Tyrus) iniquities, by the iniquity of thy (king of Tyrus) traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee (king of Tyrus), it shall devour thee (king of Tyrus), and I will bring thee (king of Tyrus) to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

That is scriptural.

If you want to read this verse and apply it literally as in, "will be brought to ashes by fire" then you also have to take (king of Tyrus) literally and realize it is applied to him only.

If you have been given eyes to see and ears to hear then reread post #113.

The every knee that bow in Phil 2:10, do that refer to everyone that know Jesus or not?

I thought I answered that:

Yes.

And though not many know him now, once the lake of fire is through with them, they will:

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

Peace.

[Capbook]

The Lord that said that who sinned will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28;18, Is it Scriptural or not?
The every knee that bow in Phil 2:10, do that refer to everyone that know Jesus or not?

Ezekiel 28:18
King James Version
Thou (king of Tyrus) hast defiled thy (king of Tyrus) sanctuaries by the multitude of thine (king of Tyrus) iniquities, by the iniquity of thy (king of Tyrus) traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee (king of Tyrus), it shall devour thee (king of Tyrus), and I will bring thee (king of Tyrus) to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

That is scriptural.

If you want to read this verse and apply it literally as in, "will be brought to ashes by fire" then you also have to take (king of Tyrus) literally and realize it is applied to him only.

If you have been given eyes to see and ears to hear then reread post #113.

The every knee that bow in Phil 2:10, do that refer to everyone that know Jesus or not?

I thought I answered that:

Yes.

And though not many know him now, once the lake of fire is through with them, they will:

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

Peace.

It apply to those who sinned. Ezek 28:18
So, those "everyone" are those who know Jesus. Not included those who don't know Him. That is what I mean. Phil 2:10
Isa 26:9 it did not mention all inhabitants. Those of God will learn righteousness. And those who lived in sin will not, they will suffer like the king of Tyrus be brought to ashes by fire.

[onewithhim]

Sorry for replying late. Haven't checked in for awhile.

Could you mention who sinned and will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28:18?

The son of perdition.

You and I and any other person who’s been given Godly things, but then becomes haughty in heart; those that deny the scriptural fact that all is of God thereby declaring their FREE WILL as the director of their own destiny.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Th 2:3-4)

Here we have a second witness; and in, of all places, Ezekiel:

YOU KEEP SAYING, ‘I am a god. I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the sea.’ BUT YOU ARE ONLY A MAN, not a god, Though in your heart you feel that you are a god. (Eze 28:2)

In Phil 2:10, Are those knees that bow know Jesus or not?

Yes. And though not many know him now, once the lake of fire is through with them, they will:

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

The lake of fire is the second death which no one will be resurrected from. If someone is thrown there, they don't still live on. They will be destroyed. The son of perdition will be annihilated. When the Great Tribulation starts, many will learn the truth and side with God and Jesus. They will learn righteousness. It is not the ones thrown into the lake of fire that will learn righteousness. Those individuals will be dead forever.

[Capbook]

Sorry for replying late. Haven't checked in for awhile.

Could you mention who sinned and will be brought to ashes by fire in Ezek 28:18?

The son of perdition.

You and I and any other person who’s been given Godly things, but then becomes haughty in heart; those that deny the scriptural fact that all is of God thereby declaring their FREE WILL as the director of their own destiny.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Th 2:3-4)

Here we have a second witness; and in, of all places, Ezekiel:

YOU KEEP SAYING, ‘I am a god. I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the sea.’ BUT YOU ARE ONLY A MAN, not a god, Though in your heart you feel that you are a god. (Eze 28:2)

In Phil 2:10, Are those knees that bow know Jesus or not?

Yes. And though not many know him now, once the lake of fire is through with them, they will:

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

The lake of fire is the second death which no one will be resurrected from. If someone is thrown there, they don't still live on. They will be destroyed. The son of perdition will be annihilated. When the Great Tribulation starts, many will learn the truth and side with God and Jesus. They will learn righteousness. It is not the ones thrown into the lake of fire that will learn righteousness. Those individuals will be dead forever.

Those ungodly people will be destroyed by burning them to ashes just like the cities of Sodom and Gommorah.

2Pe 2:6 and if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them by burning them to ashes, making them an example to ungodly people of what is going to happen to them;

[JehovahsWitness]

2Pe 2:6 and if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them by burning them to ashes, making them an example to ungodly people of what is going to happen to them;

The "model" or pattern for the wicked is not the literal fire, the pattern is DEATH.


JW

[Capbook]

2Pe 2:6 and if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them by burning them to ashes, making them an example to ungodly people of what is going to happen to them;

The "model" or pattern for the wicked is not the literal fire, the pattern is DEATH.


JW

Lexicon define fire as fire not death. Fire that turn sinners to ashes.

H784 (Brown-Driver-Briggs) אשׁ 'êsh
BDB Definition:
1) fire
1a) fire, flames
1b) supernatural fire (accompanying theophany)
1c) fire (for cooking, roasting, parching)