All the words and teachings of Jesus?

[Revelations won]

Does the Bible contain all the teachings and words of Jesus Christ ?

Does the Bible give indication or evidence that there are more of his teachings that we do not currently have?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #60]

Since God gave those people to their lewd thoughts, their faith is geared up to an animated illusion of their so-called gods. What would we benefit from a mere illusion? Both are non-existent, but due to the stubborn minds of those people in worshipping Brahman and Vishnu, God allowed them to their lewd minds. In the end, God is still the one behind all these non-existent gods that many continue to worship and serve by various means; God is everything.

My belief in the Lord Jesus is strictly confined to what we've heard and learned from Him during His 14 years of random and direct shepherding to us starting in 2001. The bible and others that you mentioned are just testimonies that God truly exists, and you don't have to take anything from them for your salvation and eternal life, which you can only attain from the Lord; hence, coming to and calling on the Lord is a must for all, for all to be saved.

How are you not simply replacing the Bible with yourself? If you're called out for pushing something unbiblical, you dismiss what the Bible says as "wrong", "telling a lie" or "the opinion of its author", conveniently overruling the Bible and presenting yourself as a superior conduit of authoritative spiritual knowledge. You literally want your fellow Christians to take your word over that of the Christian Bible, even when the Christian Bible says that God cannot lie.

And if you and another Christian seek an answer to the same question and believe that you get different answers, you interpret that as one of you being given a false answer as a "trial".......but do you ever allow that you might be the one being tried with the false answer?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #61]

How are you not simply replacing the Bible with yourself? If you're called out for pushing something unbiblical, you dismiss what the Bible says as "wrong", "telling a lie" or "the opinion of its author", conveniently overruling the Bible and presenting yourself as a superior conduit of authoritative spiritual knowledge.

I don't have to override the Bible since it has nothing to do with our salvation. We will be saved even without the bible because the Savior is the real and forever living Christ Jesus, who is always beside everybody, though we do not see Him. What we all need to be saved and attain eternal life is the Lord Jesus Christ alone, not the bible. You don't need me to be saved; I'm just a messenger from the Lord, informing the people to come to the Lord for their salvation and eternal life.

You literally want your fellow Christians to take your word over that of the Christian Bible, even when the Christian Bible says that God cannot lie.

This is funny, how could my fellow Christians, who only listen to and follow the real and forever living Christ Jesus [as we do], take my word over that of your so-called Christian bible when they pretty well know [from the Lord] the Lord's take on the bible. Christian brethren and I listen and follow only our Pastor and Teacher, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the sole source of our faith in God, not the bible as many claim.

And if you and another Christian seek an answer to the same question and believe that you get different answers, you interpret that as one of you being given a false answer as a "trial".......but do you ever allow that you might be the one being tried with the false answer?

You don't get me there, the trials were directed to both of us, even if one would get the right answer, in our view. How do you know which one is right and which one is wrong, by the way? Believe me, we're not on the same boat with the word 'Christian.'

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #62]

I'm just a messenger from the Lord, informing the people to come to the Lord for their salvation and eternal life.

What gives you the idea that you're the special messenger who knows better than everyone else?

Christian brethren and I listen and follow only our Pastor and Teacher, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the sole source of our faith in God, not the bible as many claim.

How would you even know that Jesus ever existed if you hadn't read about him in the Christian Bible?


And if you and another Christian seek an answer to the same question and believe that you get different answers, you interpret that as one of you being given a false answer as a "trial".......but do you ever allow that you might be the one being tried with the false answer?

How do you know which one is right and which one is wrong, by the way?

The question is, how do you know? Do you simply assume that you would always get the right answer?


If so much of the Christian Bible can be dismissed as wrong, does that go for what it has Jesus himself saying? Are the words of Jesus in each of the gospels "just the opinion of its author"?

[OneJack]

What gives you the idea that you're the special messenger who knows better than everyone else?

You're the one who said that. I'm only a plain follower/messenger of the Lord Jesus, on par with all my Christian brethren.

How would you even know that Jesus ever existed if you hadn't read about him in the Christian Bible?

How Jesus exists cannot be made known to us by the bible but by the Lord Himself alone; the information that Jesus exists, or that the Almighty God exists, is the sole purpose of the bible to the Lord.

The question is, how do you know? Do you simply assume that you would always get the right answer?

Ask the Lord for confirmation, and the Lord will explain until it is fully resolved in your mind.

If so much of the Christian Bible can be dismissed as wrong, does that go for what it has Jesus himself saying? Are the words of Jesus in each of the gospels "just the opinion of its author"?

Mostly, since the Lord said that the bible contains many errors.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #64]

I'm only a plain follower/messenger of the Lord Jesus, on par with all my Christian brethren.

Are you and your Christian brethren always told the same thing?

How Jesus exists cannot be made known to us by the bible but by the Lord Himself alone; the information that Jesus exists, or that the Almighty God exists, is the sole purpose of the bible to the Lord.

So you still had to read in the Christian Bible that Jesus even existed.


The question is, how do you know? Do you simply assume that you would always get the right answer?

Ask the Lord for confirmation, and the Lord will explain until it is fully resolved in your mind.

Since you claim to be a follower/messenger, I'm asking you. How is it resolved in your mind?


If so much of the Christian Bible can be dismissed as wrong, does that go for what it has Jesus himself saying? Are the words of Jesus in each of the gospels "just the opinion of its author"?

Mostly, since the Lord said that the bible contains many errors.

Is John 3:16 an error? Is John 14:6 an error? Are the Beatitudes an error?

When tallying up Bible errors, how much pick-and-choose wiggle room do you have?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #65]

Are you and your Christian brethren always told the same thing?

No. The Lord uses different angles of description to narrate His teachings to us.

So you still had to read in the Christian Bible that Jesus even existed.

Not necessarily. You can speak to Jesus and vice versa, even without reading the bible, if you decide to come to Him and call on Him when a friend of yours informs you about Jesus.

Since you claim to be a follower/messenger, I'm asking you. How is it resolved in your mind?

I have told you, ask the Lord for clarification, no matter how many questions you may ask of Him, until the Lord has resolved it.

Is John 3:16 an error? Is John 14:6 an error? Are the Beatitudes an error?

No

When tallying up Bible errors, how much pick-and-choose wiggle room do you have?

Why do you/we have to tally the bible's errors? What goodness may it give to your/our souls? There's no need for you/us to make this thing about the bible since it is not an essential requirement for all of us to be saved.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #66]

Are you and your Christian brethren always told the same thing?

No. The Lord uses different angles of description to narrate His teachings to us.

Are you and your Christian brethren always told consistent things----without trial?


So you still had to read in the Christian Bible that Jesus even existed.

Not necessarily. You can speak to Jesus and vice versa, even without reading the bible, if you decide to come to Him and call on Him when a friend of yours informs you about Jesus.

After your friend reads about him.....

It eventually has to go back to someone reading about Jesus in the Christian Bible.


Since you claim to be a follower/messenger, I'm asking you. How is it resolved in your mind?

I have told you, ask the Lord for clarification, no matter how many questions you may ask of Him, until the Lord has resolved it.

So you can't tell me how it's been resolved for you?


When tallying up Bible errors, how much pick-and-choose wiggle room do you have?

Why do you/we have to tally the bible's errors? What goodness may it give to your/our souls? There's no need for you/us to make this thing about the bible since it is not an essential requirement for all of us to be saved.

That doesn't answer the question. If not an actual tally, you still have to keep track of which parts of the Bible you believe and which parts you don't. And there has to be some criterion for drawing that distinction.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #67]

Are you and your Christian brethren always told consistent things

No! I gave you one example for this; the topic is about the Judgment Day, where and when the world and all in the universe will end, but after some time, the Lord taught us that this world will never end.

---without trial?

The Lord's declarations/or prophecies/teachings are always nested in trials or conditions to be met to be fulfilled, but He alone is privy to such trials and conditions.

After your friend reads about him.....

Let me rephrase my premise, which now refers to a friend who, let's say, had also a direct and personal encounter with the Lord. Whether he knew the name Jesus through the bible or not before his personal and direct encounter with Jesus is immaterial. It's his news about Jesus that he relayed to his other friend, who has never read the Bible and has no clue about Jesus in his entire life, that matters most of all. If his other friend believes in his news about Jesus and decides to come to and call on the Lord (Jesus), the Lord may respond to him, and listening to the Lord, he may know the Lord intimately without reading the Bible, which is not a prerequisite for encountering the Lord.

It eventually has to go back to someone reading about Jesus in the Christian Bible.

No, this is a false perception of knowing the Lord Jesus intimately through personal and direct encounter with Him.

So you can't tell me how it's been resolved for you?

It's only by asking the Lord as many questions as I can think of that any ambiguous response from Him may be resolved by Him through responses without measures, for as long as He sees the right intention in my heart.

That doesn't answer the question. If not an actual tally, you still have to keep track of which parts of the Bible you believe and which parts you don't. And there has to be some criterion for drawing that distinction.

Well, you may not really understand me since we're not on the same boat with the 'Christians' way of life,' where the Lord Jesus Christ alone is the one that only matters to all of us. We don't have to give the Bible the emphasis that you describe to me. Salvation is not anchored to the bible, but only to the Lord alone.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #68]

I gave you one example for this; the topic is about the Judgment Day, where and when the world and all in the universe will end, but after some time, the Lord taught us that this world will never end.

If Jesus gave you a false answer and the true answer to the same question, did he give you a false answer first and then the true answer or did he give you the true answer first and then a false answer?

And how can you know which?

"For God is not the author of confusion"

It would be ironic if 1 Corinthians 14:33 were "telling a lie about God", wouldn't it?

Let me rephrase my premise, which now refers to a friend who, let's say, had also a direct and personal encounter with the Lord. Whether he knew the name Jesus through the bible or not before his personal and direct encounter with Jesus is immaterial. It's his news about Jesus that he relayed to his other friend, who has never read the Bible and has no clue about Jesus in his entire life, that matters most of all. If his other friend believes in his news about Jesus and decides to come to and call on the Lord (Jesus), the Lord may respond to him, and listening to the Lord, he may know the Lord intimately without reading the Bible, which is not a prerequisite for encountering the Lord.

If Jesus is going to present himself directly to one friend, why wouldn't he present himself directly to both?

"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
(John 20:31)

If Jesus makes himself known directly and not through the Christian Bible, what was the purpose of the Christian Bible being written at all?

It's only by asking the Lord as many questions as I can think of that any ambiguous response from Him may be resolved by Him through responses without measures, for as long as He sees the right intention in my heart.

If he sees the right intention in your heart, why wouldn't he just give you an unambiguous response to begin with? You've said that it's supposed to be a "trial", but how do you tell between that and simply not getting an answer and then wracking your brain to come up with a way to rationalize not getting an answer?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #69]

If Jesus gave you a false answer and the true answer to the same question, did he give you a false answer first and then the true answer or did he give you the true answer first and then a false answer?

Let's substitute the word 'uncertainty' for the word 'false' in your quote. Since all prophecies of the Lord are anchored to certain conditions for their fulfillment, either of the two may happen, depending on which condition comes first; the world may end if its conditions ABC come first before conditions DEF, for the world will not end, or vice versa. This means that no one knows what will happen to each of us and to the world we live in right now, except the Lord Jesus Christ.

And how can you know which?

No way that I can know that, nor can anyone else, but the Lord alone.

"For God is not the author of confusion"

Nice input! Could you tell me who the author of confusion is, if you may? Where does confusion emanate from, btw?

It would be ironic if 1 Corinthians 14:33 were "telling a lie about God", wouldn't it?

On what basis do you perceive it ironic? Paul's opinion is not the Lord's opinion, don't you think so? The Lord taught us that the bible contains many errors and accounts not included in what He allowed to be written.

If Jesus is going to present himself directly to one friend, why wouldn't he present himself directly to both?

The apostles would have no job if the Lord presented Himself to all, directly as you premised. The same thing goes for us.

"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."(John 20:31)

How will you believe the Lord Jesus Christ? What to you is the Lord Jesus Christ? How do you think you will be saved by this verse today?

If Jesus makes himself known directly and not through the Christian Bible, what was the purpose of the Christian Bible being written at all?

The purpose of the Christian Bible is to testify to us that the Lord Jesus Christ truly exists so that we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. The problem with the people is that they do not want to come to the Lord Jesus in the right way.

If he sees the right intention in your heart, why wouldn't he just give you an unambiguous response to begin with?

Not all of the Lord Jesus Christ's response is ambiguous; ambiguity only enters when God places trials in our path for us to overcome with wholehearted trust in the Lord

You've said that it's supposed to be a "trial", but how do you tell between that and simply not getting an answer and then wracking your brain to come up with a way to rationalize not getting an answer?

The Lord rigorously trained and tutored us for many months before He declared us His followers and rewarded us with the salvation and eternal life of our souls, which we must maintain until the end, unto eternity, so that we may be with Him in eternity. This 'wracking your brain' perception does not exist in the world of the Christians due to the said training and tutorials that the Lord did to His sons, friends, and families. This is the reason why I'm telling you we're not on the same boat with the word Christian or Christianity and their way of life.