All the words and teachings of Jesus?

[Revelations won]

Does the Bible contain all the teachings and words of Jesus Christ ?

Does the Bible give indication or evidence that there are more of his teachings that we do not currently have?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #120]

Now you're saying:

God reveals His existence by Himself, not through the Bible, which is only a record of what God did in the past

when earlier you said:

the Bible is a book of testimonies to God that He truly exists

That seems inconsistent.

though it is now an adulterated book tainted with errors and added accounts not included in the list of what God allowed to be written.

"Adulterated" in which way, exactly? Has the Bible been adulterated the way you say? The way the LDS church says? The way the Watchtower Society says? Whose biblical "corrections" are we to accept and how are we to know?


"Cool voice"? "Automatic writings in the air"? You would have to explain those phenomena to me.

Take it literally, as in you hear a cool voice above you, so with writings in the air, as in holograms.

Subjective,
unfalsifiable,

This is where I prefer to rely on sense, reason and intellect.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #121]

Now you're saying:

God reveals His existence by Himself, not through the Bible, which is only a record of what God did in the past

when earlier you said:

the Bible is a book of testimonies to God that He truly exists

That seems inconsistent.

Your phrase, 'that seems,' means uncertainty in your thought, not absolute. I'm consistent with my claim that the Lord reveals Himself by Himself, not through the pages of the bible, as you opine. The Lord came into our lives in 2001 and continued to randomly shepherd and guide us for approximately 14 years, proof that He truly exists and lives in His own realm of existence and living.

The Bible as a book of testimonies to God that HE truly exists has nothing to do with how God reveals Himself to anyone whom He wishes to; it's God's own decision and execution, not anchored to anything/anyone but Him alone. God does not command us to talk to Him through the pages of the bible.

though it is now an adulterated book tainted with errors and added accounts not included in the list of what God allowed to be written.

"Adulterated" in which way, exactly?

Some of the utterances of God were mixed with lies. Example: "except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.” The Lord taught us that what He said to Adam was 'except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you will be clothed in sin."

Has the Bible been adulterated the way you say?

I say nothing on my own, but the Lord's teaching that we heard and learned from Him regarding this issue of adulteration.

The way the LDS church says? The way the Watchtower Society says?

I'm not affiliated with LDS, JWs, or any other.

Whose biblical "corrections" are we to accept and how are we to know?

You have to accept nothing at all, not even from me. It is enough that I tell you to come to the Lord Jesus for your salvation and eternal life. If you come to Jesus, the Lord may bring you to the Truth, the Light, and the Way to your salvation and eternal life. The Lord Jesus alone is all we need to be saved, not the bible or any other scriptures, per se.

"Cool voice"? "Automatic writings in the air"? You would have to explain those phenomena to me./quote]
Take it literally, as in you hear a cool voice above you, so with writings in the air, as in holograms.

Subjective, unfalsifiable,

Come then and call on the Lord so that your subjective and unfalsifiable thoughts may turn to REALITY, which you will surely wonder without doubt.

This is where I prefer to rely on sense, reason and intellect.

What do you think will be the destiny of your soul if you continue to choose your preference to rely on sense, reason, and intellect, instead of the Lord alone?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #122]

Now you're saying:

God reveals His existence by Himself, not through the Bible, which is only a record of what God did in the past

when earlier you said:

the Bible is a book of testimonies to God that He truly exists

That seems inconsistent.

Your phrase, 'that seems,' means uncertainty in your thought, not absolute.

I was trying to be open-minded enough to give you an opportunity to address the apparent inconsistency.

The Bible as a book of testimonies to God that HE truly exists

If the Bible is so unreliable because of errors, what kind of god is it saying exists?

I'm not affiliated with LDS, JWs, or any other.

But LDS and JWs also claim that the Bible has been corrupted, so how is anyone to know the right way to believe that the Bible is wrong?


Subjective, unfalsifiable,

Come then and call on the Lord so that your subjective and unfalsifiable thoughts may turn to REALITY, which you will surely wonder without doubt.

Have you ever asked God to reveal to you that the Book of Mormon is true, believing in your heart that you'll get an affirmative answer? That's what the LDS want you to do.


This is where I prefer to rely on sense, reason and intellect.

What do you think will be the destiny of your soul if you continue to choose your preference to rely on sense, reason, and intellect, instead of the Lord alone?

How highly convincing is a subjective, unfalsifiable belief which has to resort to spiritual threats?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #123]

I was trying to be open-minded enough to give you an opportunity to address the apparent inconsistency.

The Bible, as a book of testimonies that God exists, vis-à-vis the Lord God, reveals Himself to mankind through Himself, alive and real; these phrases are two different entities - the Bible, and the Lord God. What specific inconsistencies could we find here?

If the Bible is so unreliable because of errors, what kind of god is it saying exists?

Good question! Since the Bible testifies to the reality of the existence and living of God, the kind of God that it testifies to can only be made known to us by God Himself. The Lord God is the revealer Himself, but the Bible is only a testifier to God in itself.

But LDS and JWs also claim that the Bible has been corrupted, so how is anyone to know the right way to believe that the Bible is wrong?

The right way to get to know that the Bible is wrong is to come to the sole Author of the Words of God, the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone. Call on Him and listen to Him attentively when He responds.

Have you ever asked God to reveal to you that the Book of Mormon is true, believing in your heart that you'll get an affirmative answer? That's what the LDS want you to do.

I don't see any necessity in doing what they want, since the Lord God is the one shepherding and guiding us, and God is everything; in Him is everything we need, materially and spiritually.

How highly convincing is a subjective, unfalsifiable belief which has to resort to spiritual threats?

Flesh profits nothing but putrefaction that turns into dust, but spiritual things endow us with eternal life in due time.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #124]

If the Bible is so unreliable because of errors, what kind of god is it saying exists?

Good question! Since the Bible testifies to the reality of the existence and living of God, the kind of God that it testifies to can only be made known to us by God Himself.

Again, you seem to want to jettison the Bible for being imperfect but hang onto the deity it describes so imperfectly.

The right way to get to know that the Bible is wrong is to come to the sole Author of the Words of God, the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone.

I can see where the Bible is wrong just by reading it in context.

Call on Him and listen to Him attentively when He responds.

What if he responds by misleading me with a "trial"?

Is that, in your opinion, what happens to LDS and JWs?


Have you ever asked God to reveal to you that the Book of Mormon is true, believing in your heart that you'll get an affirmative answer? That's what the LDS want you to do.

I don't see any necessity in doing what they want

Maybe they don't see any necessity in doing what you want.


How highly convincing is a subjective, unfalsifiable belief which has to resort to spiritual threats?

Flesh profits nothing but putrefaction that turns into dust, but spiritual things endow us with eternal life in due time.

Is there supposed to be an answer to the question here?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #125]

Again, you seem to want to jettison the Bible for being imperfect but hang onto the deity it describes so imperfectly.

My belief in the Lord Jesus is not based on what I have read about Him in the Bible, but on what we've heard and learned from Him. The Bible has nothing to do at all with my faith in and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. With or without the Bible, there is truly God that exists and lives in His own realm.

What if he responds by misleading me with a "trial"?

This will be the time to use your sense and intellect in the right way, to clarify everything you want to be clarified by asking God as many questions as you can.

Is that, in your opinion, what happens to LDS and JWs?

In my opinion, yes, they both failed to clarify things with God to arrive at the truth. JS presumed the two personages to be the Father and the Son, based on the utterance of the one, saying, 'This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, listen to him.'

Maybe they don't see any necessity in doing what you want.

Whatever, my soul finds peace of mind and salvation with the Lord. Why bother myself with unnecessary things that add nothing to the stability of the peace and tranquility that I find with the Lord? The Lord's will always matter to me, not anyone's will or opinion.

Is there supposed to be an answer to the question here?

What do you expect me to say? It seems you don't see that you're only at the level of material essentiality, not of the spiritual destiny of the soul.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #126]

It seems you don't see that you're only at the level of material essentiality, not of the spiritual destiny of the soul.

Then you really don't understand me. Maybe I haven't expressed it well enough. Suffice it to say, it isn't necessary to think or believe as you do in order to be spiritual. I refer you to my signature again.

I believe that we've reached an impasse and can't take this any further.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #126]

It seems you don't see that you're only at the level of material essentiality, not of the spiritual destiny of the soul.

Then you really don't understand me. Maybe I haven't expressed it well enough. Suffice it to say, it isn't necessary to think or believe as you do in order to be spiritual. I refer you to my signature again.

I believe that we've reached an impasse and can't take this any further.

Goodbye Athetotheist.