Original Sin

[Zzyzx]

Is the Adam and Eve story true? Unless the story is true, the concept of ‘original sin’ has no meaning, and there was no need for Jesus to 'save' humanity from 'original sin'.

From: Ebsco (dot) com
“Original sin is a Christian doctrine that teaches all humans inherit a sinful nature from Adam and Eve due to their disobedience to God in the Garden of Eden. This condition affects every person, making them morally and spiritually flawed from birth, and is often seen as a barrier to a relationship with God.”

From: U.S. Catholic (dot) org
"According to Christian belief, Jesus' sacrifice is seen as a means to save humanity from original sin, which is the state of sin inherited from Adam and Eve. This salvation is believed to be available to all who have faith in Him."

[OneJack]

[Replying to AquinasForGod in post #59]
So you are telling me that if God told you not to eat from a certain tree; if you did you would die- you would eat from it? Really
Youd do the same thing as those two fools
in the garden?

They didn't die on the day that they ate the fruit, did they? Fools they would be if they died on that very hour that they ate the fruit. Just a penny for our thoughts!

[Avoice]

[Replying to OneJack in post #61]
But they died.

God said (I'm paraphrasing) that because punishment is not Swift people just keep doing the same things thinking they're getting away with it. But it also allows people time to repent and stop messing up. Doing the right thing

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #61]
But they died.

God said (I'm paraphrasing) that because punishment is not Swift people just keep doing the same things thinking they're getting away with it. But it also allows people time to repent and stop messing up. Doing the right thing

The actual thing that happened to Adam and Eve on the day after eating the forbidden fruit was that they were clothed in sin. Death came to them hundreds of years later.

[Ray the atheist]

[Replying to Zzyzx in post #1]

Original sin is a Christian doctrine that teaches all humans inherit a sinful nature from Adam and Eve due to their disobedience to God in the Garden of Eden. This condition affects every person, making them morally and spiritually flawed from birth, and is often seen as a barrier to a relationship with God.

I'm an agnostic atheist and I don't believe in the supernatural.

You are re-telling the bible story that the God magically made everyone morally and spiritually flawed from birth.

Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Ray the atheist in post #64]

Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.

How do you say you're an agnostic atheist when you have this kind of perception in your life, to wit:

'Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.'

What say ye?

[Ray the atheist]

[Replying to Ray the atheist in post #64]

Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.

How do you say you're an agnostic atheist when you have this kind of perception in your life, to wit:

'Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.'

What say ye?

I sayeth that I wasn't talking about my own belief, but your belief.

I don't believe in any god, you do.

Maybe you don't believe that your god made me the way that I am.
Maybe you don't believe that he made us the way that we are.

Maybe you truly believe that when the god does something, that we are to blame for his action.

Maybe you don't believe that your god made me spiritually flawed from birth.
Let us know.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Ray the atheist in post #64]

Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.

How do you say you're an agnostic atheist when you have this kind of perception in your life, to wit:

'Nobody is responsible if they behave immorally or is spiritually flawed, that's the God's fault.
Everyone but the God is, therefore, blameless.

God made it so.'

What say ye?

I sayeth that I wasn't talking about my own belief, but your belief.

I don't believe in any god, you do.

Maybe you don't believe that your god made me the way that I am.
Maybe you don't believe that he made us the way that we are.

Maybe you truly believe that when the god does something, that we are to blame for his action.

Maybe you don't believe that your god made me spiritually flawed from birth.
Let us know.

By your narratives, you’re having sour grapes toward God, which means you believe God made you spiritually flawed from birth.

[Ray the atheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #67]

By your narratives, you’re having sour grapes toward God, which means you believe God made you spiritually flawed from birth.
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My nickname in here is "Ray the atheist".

I'm an agnostic atheist and I don't believe in the supernatural.
I'm using a hypothetical in order to talk about your beliefs, not my own beliefs.

Im saying IF THE GOD IS REAL...... then it created humans spiritually and morally flawed.
Im only using that idea for the sake of your argument.

I don't believe that your god is real, you do.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #67]

By your narratives, you’re having sour grapes toward God, which means you believe God made you spiritually flawed from birth.
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My nickname in here is "Ray the atheist".

I'm an agnostic atheist and I don't believe in the supernatural.
I'm using a hypothetical in order to talk about your beliefs, not my own beliefs.

Im saying IF THE GOD IS REAL...... then it created humans spiritually and morally flawed.
Im only using that idea for the sake of your argument.

I don't believe that your god is real, you do.

Even if you use the 'If' conditional clauses, it will follow that you have taken the belief in the existence of God, conditionally.

Why are you spiritually and morally flawed, as you premised?

[Ray the atheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #69]

Even if you use the 'If' conditional clauses, it will follow that you have taken the belief in the existence of God, conditionally.

Why are you spiritually and morally flawed, as you premised?

I made a conditional for the sake of your argument.
I will believe in your god on the condition that I am presented with persuasive evidence.
I don't believe in any god, including yours.

I don't believe in the supernatural, or the spiritual if that means supernatural.
I have a purely secular spirituality based on facts, not on faith.

I don't believe that I am morally or spiritually flawed, you do.
Thanks for asking.