I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.
Jesus' words:
1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)
2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)
He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)
5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)
6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)
Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?
Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?
JESUS IS NOT GOD
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Post #1831You did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
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Post #1832Jesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #1833onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:8)
You are confusing the man Jesus with the God identified as the Word.
Jesus is not the Word, Jesus is the Word made flesh.
The Word is God. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
They both lived at the same time as different beings, one as a Spirit and one as a man. Then, after living a sinless human life, Jesus fulfilled His mission by dying on the cross.
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Post #1834He was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #1835The WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earthonewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:12 pmHe was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
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Post #1836The Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?slowrider wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:06 pmThe WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earthonewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:12 pmHe was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #1837Matthew 10:33onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:37 pmThe Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?slowrider wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:06 pmThe WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earthonewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:12 pmHe was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pm
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
That includes you.
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Post #1838The Father is not the Son.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:37 pmThe Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?slowrider wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:06 pmThe WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earthonewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:12 pmHe was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pmJesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:43 pm
Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.
If Jesus was God He could not die.
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Father, and God was the Word.
The lexicon define "God", in Greek "theos" in John 1:1 as the Trinity. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #1839YOU rarely answer questions. I asked you how God can be with himself.slowrider wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:49 pmMatthew 10:33onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:37 pmThe Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?slowrider wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:06 pmThe WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earthonewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:12 pmHe was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pmThat didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrectedCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:16 pm
Jesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
That includes you.
Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD
Post #1840God told me you will not be around much longer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:41 pmYOU rarely answer questions. I asked you how God can be with himself.slowrider wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:49 pmMatthew 10:33onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:37 pmThe Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?slowrider wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:06 pmThe WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earthonewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:12 pmHe was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:08 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 pmJesus was a spirit like God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 pmYou did not answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 pmDo you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:52 pm
That didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrected
"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?
He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)
You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
That includes you.