JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[onewithhim]

What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.

One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

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Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)

Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJ  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.

May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJ  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

No, the original Greek is not wrong. The way men have twisted it is what is wrong.

As it is not wrong. It is right. No need of interpretation of that Greek “and God was the word” just read it plain.

Yes, read it plain from the original Greek language which says, word for word, "and god was the word." No article is there, but there is before "he was in the beginning with the god."

Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

No indeed. It goes like this: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH ho theos, and "theos" was the Word. You can see that Jesus is called a god, "theos," but only the Father is THE God, "ho theos." (And how can God be with himself?)

[myth-one.com]

Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.

If Jesus was God He could not die.

[onewithhim]

Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.

If Jesus was God He could not die.

True, Jesus was born as a human 2,000 some-odd years ago, but his beginning was billions of years before that, in heaven. He said that he "descended from heaven." (John 3:13) He asked his Father for the glory that he had before he came to the earth (John 17:5). So he is much more than a man. He was in heaven, then came to Earth as a human, died for our sins and rose again to return to heaven, a human no longer.

You are correct when you say God can't die. That shows us right there that Jesus is not God.

[Capbook]

Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.

If Jesus was God He could not die.

Jesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

[onewithhim]

Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.

If Jesus was God He could not die.

Jesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

That didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrected

"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)

[placebofactor]

I saw the following on the internet several days ago and thought it may help those who doubt that Jesus is God. The more archeologists dig, the more evidence is brought into the court of Truth.

The earliest inscription of “Jesus is God” has been discovered beneath the floor of a prison in Israel. The engraving, is said to be 1,800 years old, was found by an inmate at the Megiddo prison. The mosaic floor, which had been hidden under the prison since its discovery in 2005, is now on display in a museum in Washington, DC until 2025. The 581-square-foot mosaic features the ancient Greek writing: “The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial.” It also features images of fish, which experts say may reference the story of Luke 9:16 where Jesus multiplied two fish to feed 5,000 people.

[Difflugia]

I saw the following on the internet several days ago and thought it may help those who doubt that Jesus is God. The more archeologists dig, the more evidence is brought into the court of Truth.

The earliest inscription of “Jesus is God” has been discovered beneath the floor of a prison in Israel. The engraving, is said to be 1,800 years old, was found by an inmate at the Megiddo prison. The mosaic floor, which had been hidden under the prison since its discovery in 2005, is now on display in a museum in Washington, DC until 2025. The 581-square-foot mosaic features the ancient Greek writing: “The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial.” It also features images of fish, which experts say may reference the story of Luke 9:16 where Jesus multiplied two fish to feed 5,000 people.

That's interesting and thanks for mentioning it; I hadn't seen that, yet.

As for helping convince that Jesus is God, that doesn't really change much. The mosaic dates to the third century, so is confirmation that there were Christians in the third century that believed that Jesus was God. Since we have writings from the second century that referred to Jesus as God, we already knew that such Christians existed.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #1827]

I forgot to mention, that the inscriptions were in Latin, and the stone was paid for by a Roman soldier.

[Capbook]

Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

Yor are incorrectly equating the Word (God) with the Word made flesh. The Word made flesh is the man Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was born of Mary about 2024 years ago.

If Jesus was God He could not die.

Jesus has the glory with the Father before the world was. (John 17:5)
Being in the form of God, and took upon Him the form of a servant in the likeness of men.(Phil 2:6,7)
Being the Son of man and Son of God, Jesus died as being the son of man (flesh), but have the power to take His life again as God's Son.
Can you provide a Bible verse that a man resurrected himself?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

That didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrected

"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)

Do you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

[onewithhim]

I saw the following on the internet several days ago and thought it may help those who doubt that Jesus is God. The more archeologists dig, the more evidence is brought into the court of Truth.

The earliest inscription of “Jesus is God” has been discovered beneath the floor of a prison in Israel. The engraving, is said to be 1,800 years old, was found by an inmate at the Megiddo prison. The mosaic floor, which had been hidden under the prison since its discovery in 2005, is now on display in a museum in Washington, DC until 2025. The 581-square-foot mosaic features the ancient Greek writing: “The god-loving Akeptous has offered the table to God Jesus Christ as a memorial.” It also features images of fish, which experts say may reference the story of Luke 9:16 where Jesus multiplied two fish to feed 5,000 people.

This is proof that Jesus is God? The author of that inscription was just as ignorant of the truth as others of the church that was forming after the last Apostle died. The Great Apostacy began to flourish right as the 1st century came to a close. Paul said: "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:29,30) Among those twisted things was that Jesus is God.

Jesus himself said to his Father: "YOU are the only true God." (John 17:3)

He said to the Pharisees: "Do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said, I am God's Son?" (John 10:36)

If we are to believe Jesus, he is not God.