Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

[oldbadger]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

[POI]

....As I already stated, orthodox Jews do not eat pork because pigs possess genetic traits which renders them 'unclean'...

Please tell, what are those traits?

I already told you in post 37.

Sorry, I didn't find there any information of what are the genetic traits that makes it unclean.

That's too bad. Hopefully God will have mercy on your soul for 1) your ignorance to this, and maybe many other laws you violate unknowingly. And/or, 2) the many "laws" you may instead ignore purposefully, as I mentioned in the last response to you.

If God applies mercy in scenarios 1) and/or 2), then maybe "morals" are irrelevant anyways?

[1213]

Thousands of years ago it was impossible to prepare and cook pork safely and so pork was banned. The term 'unclean' meant contaminated.

To what is that claim based on?

This is all trying to weasel out of the debate

Why are you weaseling out and not defending your claim? You can't tell why do you think the "unclean" meant contaminated?

...and not in any way the views of a god.

Why should anyone believe that?

[1213]

....As I already stated, orthodox Jews do not eat pork because pigs possess genetic traits which renders them 'unclean'...

Please tell, what are those traits?

I already told you in post 37.

Sorry, I didn't find there any information of what are the genetic traits that makes it unclean.

That's too bad. Hopefully God will have mercy on your soul for 1) your ignorance to this, and maybe many other laws you violate unknowingly. And/or, 2) the many "laws" you may instead ignore purposefully, as I mentioned in the last response to you.

If God applies mercy in scenarios 1) and/or 2), then maybe "morals" are irrelevant anyways?

Please explain what do you mean with "genetic traits"?

[oldbadger]

Thousands of years ago it was impossible to prepare and cook pork safely and so pork was banned. The term 'unclean' meant contaminated.

To what is that claim based on?

Whyever do you think is was written?
No Mosaic law was mumbo-jumbo.

A quick search through the internet can show you that undercooked pork is dangerous to eat. Before the 1950s the cases serious sickness were much more common.

Here is the sort of response you will get to any such search:
Yes, pork was once more dangerous to eat than it is today due to the risk of foodborne illnesses from parasites:

Every food banned by Mosaic law held dangers and could restrict the growth of the nation. That particular law is repeated in the OT.

[TRANSPONDER]

Thousands of years ago it was impossible to prepare and cook pork safely and so pork was banned. The term 'unclean' meant contaminated.

To what is that claim based on?

Whyever do you think is was written?
No Mosaic law was mumbo-jumbo.

A quick search through the internet can show you that undercooked pork is dangerous to eat. Before the 1950s the cases serious sickness were much more common.

Here is the sort of response you will get to any such search:
Yes, pork was once more dangerous to eat than it is today due to the risk of foodborne illnesses from parasites:

Every food banned by Mosaic law held dangers and could restrict the growth of the nation. That particular law is repeated in the OT.

1213 wrote: Why are you weaseling out and not defending your claim? You can't tell why do you think the "unclean" meant contaminated?

Looks like you got a fair answer there.Though as I recall the OT doesn't say why the prohibition existed, and the NT only implies it doesn't exist anymore, probably because prohibition of bacon would have ensured Christianity did not catch on in the Roman world.

also:
TRANSPONDER wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:14 pm
...and not in any way the views of a god.
1213 wrote:
Why should anyone believe that?

I said because God has no problem with carnivation, no more than with slavery. IT laws changed to NT laws, which sort of invalidated any kind of divine morality, just human convenience.

[oldbadger]

Looks like you got a fair answer there.Though as I recall the OT doesn't say why the prohibition existed, and the NT only implies it doesn't exist anymore, probably because prohibition of bacon would have ensured Christianity did not catch on in the Roman world.

Of course, the consumption of 'unclean' or dangerous foods was as dangerous in the 1st century as when Mosaic law was first written.

Some Christianity might think that some foods were banned because of some whim of their God, but No, every banned food held serious risks for the whole of the nation, not just the individual consumers.

[TRANSPONDER]

Looks like you got a fair answer there.Though as I recall the OT doesn't say why the prohibition existed, and the NT only implies it doesn't exist anymore, probably because prohibition of bacon would have ensured Christianity did not catch on in the Roman world.

Of course, the consumption of 'unclean' or dangerous foods was as dangerous in the 1st century as when Mosaic law was first written.

Some Christianity might think that some foods were banned because of some whim of their God, but No, every banned food held serious risks for the whole of the nation, not just the individual consumers.

To tell the truth, I'm not sure. I have a Theory that Mosaic laws were half based on cultural prohibitions so as to ensure the Hebrews remained culturally distinct from other peoples, In this it was stunningly successful. I might suggest swinefleisch was a principle eat of the locals and that was something the Hebrews should not do, being goatherders from the Aramean hillsides. I might be wrong. and they really thought that pig was not safe. But Beef had its' problems, too.
The point being, whether or not clean food laws were valid them, they really aren't now. it is purely cultural, which is to say, Religious reasons, which is no good reasons. It is the same problem with God's morality. At best human morality is just as good, and at worst, bad morality stubbornly maintained (never mind politically forced on people who do not want it) on the grounds that God said so, as though anything from the OT even counted anymore.

[1213]

...A quick search through the internet can show you that undercooked pork is dangerous to eat. ...

I can agree with that, but why would it have been impossible to cook it properly in ancient times?

[oldbadger]

To tell the truth, I'm not sure. I have a Theory that Mosaic laws were half based on cultural prohibitions so as to ensure the Hebrews remained culturally distinct from other peoples, In this it was stunningly successful.

But their God explained how the previous tribes had been offered the same laws but had failed, just as the Israelites did later on, many times.

I might suggest swinefleisch was a principle eat of the locals and that was something the Hebrews should not do, being goatherders from the Aramean hillsides. I might be wrong. and they really thought that pig was not safe. But Beef had its' problems, too.

There were risks with beef as well, it had to be prepared and eaten in certain ways and withing certain time limits.

The point being, whether or not clean food laws were valid them, they really aren't now. it is purely cultural, which is to say, Religious reasons, which is no good reasons.

No.....they really really are valid now.
But modern cooking methods are much more efficient.

It is the same problem with God's morality. At best human morality is just as good, and at worst, bad morality stubbornly maintained (never mind politically forced on people who do not want it) on the grounds that God said so, as though anything from the OT even counted anymore.

Ah......morality, like 'sin', so often used in religious rhetoric.
But God's laws were absolutely necessary for survival back then.
An old meaning for 'sin' was 'failure'.

[oldbadger]

...A quick search through the internet can show you that undercooked pork is dangerous to eat. ...

I can agree with that, but why would it have been impossible to cook it properly in ancient times?

They didn't have air fryers and microwaves, 1213.....
It was possible to cook properly, but it was too easy to cut corners.