Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

[oldbadger]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

[1213]

No, they did not cherry pick that. Many Christians think that it has been made clean, and therefore it is ok to eat it.

Why do you think God can't make it clean? what do you think unclean in this case means?

Many Christians think.........yes, they do.

Can God make other laws 'clean', such as male partnerships?

Hmmm... I don't say the law is made clean. I say, people think the meat is made clean, which is why it is not against the law to eat it. The law is till valid, people should not eat anything unclean. The only difference is in that some think the food is clean, which is why it is not against the law.

[oldbadger]

So where Christians THINK God has cleaned something then they can break Mosaic law, but where they THINK a thing is unclean then God has not cleaned it?

Cherry picking!

If it is cleaned, then it is not against the law that says, don't eat unclean things. But, I understand that it may be unclear is something really clean or not. In any case, the issue is on, is it clean or not, not is the law valid or not. And therefore it is not cherry picking.

Wrong.
Thousands of years ago it was impossible to prepare and cook pork safely and so pork was banned. The term 'unclean' meant contaminated.
The same goes for many other foods, once banned because of health risks but now somewhat safer.

And so is gay partnership and other laws that you might want to keep. Gay partnership reduced the birth rates, but today we don't need birthrates, we really don't.

So are you cherry picking some laws and ignoring others?

Your ideas about sin are very strange, all that sin could lead to was failure. Sin leads to sickness.

[oldbadger]

No, they did not cherry pick that. Many Christians think that it has been made clean, and therefore it is ok to eat it.

Why do you think God can't make it clean? what do you think unclean in this case means?

Many Christians think.........yes, they do.

Can God make other laws 'clean', such as male partnerships?

Hmmm... I don't say the law is made clean. I say, people think the meat is made clean, which is why it is not against the law to eat it. The law is till valid, people should not eat anything unclean. The only difference is in that some think the food is clean, which is why it is not against the law.

So your rules are based upon what you think?
Why quote the bible to support your freedoms and laws if it's now governed by what you think?

[TRANSPONDER]

That's the old New Covenant idea isn't it? Christians can pick anything from the Old Law that suits them and dismiss anything that doesn't because Jesus made everything New. Of course, they cherry pick from the New law, too.

Maybe it is true that all people cherry pick. But, if we look what is said about the new covenant in the Bible, it means this:

For finding fault with them, he said, "Behold, the days come," says the Lord, "That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; Not according to the cov-enant that I made with their fathers, In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; For they did-n't continue in my covenant, And I disregarded them," says the Lord. "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel. After those days," says the Lord; "I will put my laws into their mind, I will also write them on their heart. I will be to them a God, And they will be to me a people. They will not teach every man his fellow citizen,{TR reads "neighbor" instead of "fellow citizen"} Every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' For all will know me, From the least of them to the great-est of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness. I will remember their sins and lawless deeds no more."
Heb. 8:8-12 (Jer. 31:31-34)
Yahweh your God will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love Yahweh your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live. Yahweh your God will put all these curses on your enemies, and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. You shall return and obey the voice of Yahweh, and do all his commandments which I command you this day. Yahweh your God will make you plenteous in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, and in the fruit of your cattle, and in the fruit of your ground, for good: for Yahweh will again rejoice over you for good, as he rejoiced over your fathers;
Deut. 30:6-9

But if you cherry pick the Bible you are putting human preference above what is in the Bible. You are using human morality to judge the Bible. If you didn't do that, anything in the Bible would be ok, because it is in the Bible.

[TRANSPONDER]

....As I already stated, orthodox Jews do not eat pork because pigs possess genetic traits which renders them 'unclean'...

Please tell, what are those traits?

You never answered my question. Do you eat pork? If so, how were you able to locate a 'clean' pig?

I try to avoid eating pork, because I don't know surely is it good to eat it.

Just like Franklin said about Beer. God must approve it, or why would he make bacon the best food after prawns (another forbidden one)? Any religion that doesn't want us to take pleasure in nice things has something wrong with it and cannot be from a god. Which seems to be all of them except maybe Confucianism.

And according to Religious apologetics, we can't be sure of anything 100% It is a cornerstone of Christian apologetics. If you can't prove it 100%, you can't believe it, unless the Bible says so. You aren't the only one to have this denialist mindset, but does not live like that, but using human judgement and information, as we all do. You only deny that when it undercuts the Bible. And then you deny even the Bible.

[POI]

....As I already stated, orthodox Jews do not eat pork because pigs possess genetic traits which renders them 'unclean'...

Please tell, what are those traits?

I already told you in post 37.

I try to avoid eating pork, because I don't know surely is it good to eat it.

Fair enough.... Do you ever wear wool and linen together at the same time, eat any shellfish, make sure you and your son(s) are circumcised, ever work on the Sabbath, always avoid eating certain foods during Passover, make sure your wife never wears any of your clothes, etc? Remember, God's laws number in the 100's. You may be violating many of them willfully, or accidentally (due to ignorance). Most of which are not ranked in any particular order, maybe outside the 10 Commandments.

[TRANSPONDER]

Cue the New Covenant which means Jesus allows us to cherry - pick, not only what the OT says, but what he said. Since our pal 1213 says that now Jesus isn't on earth, we can't Follow Him, and can follow whatever we like from the Bible, as Interpreted by us.
Time for that video again. Rapidly approaching 'mustwatch' statue.

[1213]

....As I already stated, orthodox Jews do not eat pork because pigs possess genetic traits which renders them 'unclean'...

Please tell, what are those traits?

I already told you in post 37.

Sorry, I didn't find there any information of what are the genetic traits that makes it unclean.

[1213]

Thousands of years ago it was impossible to prepare and cook pork safely and so pork was banned. The term 'unclean' meant contaminated.

To what is that claim based on?

[TRANSPONDER]

Thousands of years ago it was impossible to prepare and cook pork safely and so pork was banned. The term 'unclean' meant contaminated.

To what is that claim based on?

This is all trying to weasel out of the debate The fact is that it was banned in the OT as unclean, and to the Muslims it still is, I suppose because they borrowed their Dogma from the Jews, who could be safely ignored, and dismiss Christianity with 'Jesus was not God and did not die on the cross' before conquering and converting as many as they could.

And the current fact is that it is now considered ok to eat, if one reckons it ok to eat any meat at all, which is a whole other debate because God has no problem with carnivation, no more than with slavery.

The conclusion being that the Bible and indeed Quran are works of their time, expressing the views oif men of their time, and not in any way the views of a god.