JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

That didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrected

"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)

Do you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You did not answer my question above onewithhim.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?

Jesus was a spirit like God.

He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)

You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.

He was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.

The WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earth
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.

The Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

That includes you.

YOU rarely answer questions. I asked you how God can be with himself.

I may return that question to you, "how God can be with Himself?" If the Father being pierced, is He the Jesus being pierced? (Zech 12:10)

Zec 12:8 At that time, the LORD will defend those who live in Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them at that time will be like David. The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, like the angel of the LORD in their midst!
Zec 12:9 "At that time, I will search out and destroy all of the nations who have come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10 I will pour out on the house of David and on the residents of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and of supplications, and they will look to me—the one whom they pierced."

[slowrider]

That didn't mean that Jesus resurrected himself. He was saying that his life was so perfectly in line with his Father's commands that he was worthy of being resurrected

"Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death....For this reason also, God highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, New American Standard Bible)

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, New American Standard Bible)

Do you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You did not answer my question above onewithhim.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?

Jesus was a spirit like God.

He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)

You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.

He was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.

The WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earth
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.

The Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

That includes you.

YOU rarely answer questions. I asked you how God can be with himself.

You mean like when He was by Himself with Himself before He created anything?
Your time is very short.

[onewithhim]

Do you believe that Jesus have the glory which He had with the Father before the world was? Yes or no.(John 17:5)

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You did not answer my question above onewithhim.
A follow up question, what is Jesus' state at that time before the world was? Is He a man or a spirit like God?

Jesus was a spirit like God.

He has the glory which he had before the world was, and even more glory, since he obeyed his Father right up to death on a 'cross.' (Philippians 2:8,9)

You claim that Jesus was a spiritual being like God. As proof of your claim you quote the following scripture verse which confirms that Jesus was not a spirit, but a man.

He was a man when he was on Earth preparing to give his life in obedience to the Father. He was not a man, a human, when he went back to heaven.

The WORD became the Son of man, when the Holy Ghost became His Father, physically entering in to Earth
to defeat evil and take back the keys of death and to hell from the devils to return as the Son of man
to His former glory in heaven as in the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.

The Word wasn't God, he was WITH God. He can't be with himself, can he?

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men,
him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

That includes you.

YOU rarely answer questions. I asked you how God can be with himself.

I may return that question to you, "how God can be with Himself?" If the Father being pierced, is He the Jesus being pierced? (Zech 12:10)

Zec 12:8 At that time, the LORD will defend those who live in Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them at that time will be like David. The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, like the angel of the LORD in their midst!
Zec 12:9 "At that time, I will search out and destroy all of the nations who have come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10 I will pour out on the house of David and on the residents of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and of supplications, and they will look to me—the one whom they pierced."

We know that the Father and the Son were as close as a father and son could get. Jesus imitated his Father in everything. The Father felt close to His Son as well. Don't you think that when the Son died his Father would suffer over the death as any father would grieve if his son were murdered? Jesus was pierced, and surely the Father felt pains as well, to see His Son dying. Jehovah was pierced to the heart in grief.

Now, are you ready to answer how God can be with Himself?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1843]

There are many scriptures in the OP that show that Jesus could not be God. He himself was taught by God, he was sent by God, he obeyed God to the point of death.

[Peterlag7]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not.

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not.

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Is there also a verse basing the words of the OP or title of thread that says, Jesus is not God?

[Peterlag7]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1846]

The Apostles only had to write what is. Not what is not. They would not have written that there are no cars because there were no cars. And that's why they did not write about cars.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not.

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Is there also a verse basing the words of the OP or title of thread that says, Jesus is not God?

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was a man.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not.

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Is there also a verse basing the words of the OP or title of thread that says, Jesus is not God?

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was a man.

That verse also shows that Jesus was between God and men. How could he be between Himself and men? Obviously God and Jesus are two different Persons.

[placebofactor]

I thought the following article was interesting. Scientists have digitally unrolled an 1800-year-old silver amulet to decipher an inscription hailed as the oldest known evidence of Christianity in Europe. Here's what it said.

Holy, holy, holy! In the name of Jesus Christ, Son of God! The Lord of the world resists all attacks. The God grants entry to well-being. May this means of salvation protect the man who surrenders himself to the will of the Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, since before Jesus Christ every knee bows: those in heaven, those on earth and those under the earth, and every tongue confesses Jesus Christ.