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The Definition of God

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God is often defined as having various extraordinary characteristics. Infinitely loving, all powerful, omniscient, the creator of the Universe, etc.

How can we know that this is indeed true? How can we verify such grandiose assertions? No greater claims could possibly be made!

Normally, we make definitions based on verifiable evidence and observation. For example, we define a giraffe as being a large four-legged grazing mammal with a long neck, hooves, a mouth, a tongue, teeth, and two eyes. We can rationally define a giraffe this way based on verifiable observation. We define a giraffe by going out and finding a giraffe, then defining it based on its attributes.

Yet somehow, God is defined in the opposite manner. We do not go out and find god and define it based on its attributes. Instead, we apply god's characteristics to him without ever observing god. Definitions seem to fabricated out of imagination. I find this extremely dubious.

It seems to me that we are applying these definitions to the concept of a god. We cannot verify nor falsify these attributes.

What is going on here?

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Re: The Definition of God

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Consulting the lexicons that define the meaning of Bible words helps us understand what it means during the time it was used.
Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.
Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn
Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.
Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp
Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.
Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
How can you say that BeDuhn is only a historian and "not a credential Bible lexicographer"? Where did you get that information? He is certainly one who focuses on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
He is a historian and was not described as a lexicographer, just click the Wikipedia link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn
His book's producers say that he is an associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University, in Flagstaff. He holds a B.A. in religious studies from the University of Illinois, an M.T.S. in New Testament and Christian Origins from Harvard Divinity School, and a Ph.D. in the comparative study of Religions from Indiana University. He is the author of many articles in the areas of Biblical Studies and Manichaean Studies. The Johns Hopkins University Press gave him the honor of the winner of the "Best First Book" prize from the American Academy of Religion. He obviously has more credentials than you give him credit for. This Academy wouldn't give him the prize of a best book if he were only a historian.

Why don't you read further in the Wikipedia link, and especially where it says "Projects." Is this a man who is merely a historian? I think not.
Do the Wikipedia mentioned he is a credential Bible lexicographer?

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Re: The Definition of God

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Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:07 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:11 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:10 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:15 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:26 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:52 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:06 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:14 am
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:45 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:59 am
Why is your lexicon any better than what I've quoted from "Truth in Translation" by BeDuhn? He shows the meanings of words, in depth. This author knows as much as the authors of your lexicons. Um, you still didn't comment on what I wrote in my last post.
Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn
Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.
Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp
Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.
Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
How can you say that BeDuhn is only a historian and "not a credential Bible lexicographer"? Where did you get that information? He is certainly one who focuses on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
He is a historian and was not described as a lexicographer, just click the Wikipedia link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn
His book's producers say that he is an associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University, in Flagstaff. He holds a B.A. in religious studies from the University of Illinois, an M.T.S. in New Testament and Christian Origins from Harvard Divinity School, and a Ph.D. in the comparative study of Religions from Indiana University. He is the author of many articles in the areas of Biblical Studies and Manichaean Studies. The Johns Hopkins University Press gave him the honor of the winner of the "Best First Book" prize from the American Academy of Religion. He obviously has more credentials than you give him credit for. This Academy wouldn't give him the prize of a best book if he were only a historian.

Why don't you read further in the Wikipedia link, and especially where it says "Projects." Is this a man who is merely a historian? I think not.
Do the Wikipedia mentioned he is a credential Bible lexicographer?
I think anyone can deduce that from checking out his credentials. He knows what he's talking about, and has no bone to pick, not being affiliated with any particular religion. Did you read ALL of what Wikipedia had to say about him? Or just the first sentence?

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Re: The Definition of God

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:07 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:11 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:10 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:15 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:26 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:52 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:06 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:14 am
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:45 pm

Posted below is the meaning of Bible lexicon that guides us to the original meaning of Bible words, Hebrew and Greek.
Whine BeDuhn is just a historian and not a credential Bible lexicographer.

A Bible lexicon is a reference tool that provides the meanings and uses of words in the Bible in their original languages. Lexicons are a type of dictionary that can help with studying the Bible and understanding the original meaning of words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jason David BeDuhn (born 1963) is an American historian of religion and culture, currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University,[1] and former chair of the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn
Yes, and he knows his stuff. Also, he is not biased like your lexicons are.
Correct definition of Bible words led us to understand what the writer's message is.
If you make your own interpretation without consulting dictionaries (lexicon) you'll be misled and will fall to eisegesis.
Bible lexicographers typically have a degree beyond a bachelor's degree. A master's degree may be enough to teach the subject at a community or junior college.
https://www.google.com/search?q=credent ... s-wiz-serp
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context, while a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+l ... s-wiz-serp
Who says BeDuhn has just a Bachelor's Degree? His credentials are sufficient to earn respect in the Bible scholar community.
Yes, as a historian but not a credential Bible lexicographer.
A Bible lexicographer focuses primarily on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
While a Bible historian analyzes the historical events and figures described in the Bible, attempting to reconstruct the context in which they occurred.
How can you say that BeDuhn is only a historian and "not a credential Bible lexicographer"? Where did you get that information? He is certainly one who focuses on understanding the precise meaning of words in the Bible by analyzing their original language and context.
He is a historian and was not described as a lexicographer, just click the Wikipedia link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_BeDuhn
His book's producers say that he is an associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University, in Flagstaff. He holds a B.A. in religious studies from the University of Illinois, an M.T.S. in New Testament and Christian Origins from Harvard Divinity School, and a Ph.D. in the comparative study of Religions from Indiana University. He is the author of many articles in the areas of Biblical Studies and Manichaean Studies. The Johns Hopkins University Press gave him the honor of the winner of the "Best First Book" prize from the American Academy of Religion. He obviously has more credentials than you give him credit for. This Academy wouldn't give him the prize of a best book if he were only a historian.

Why don't you read further in the Wikipedia link, and especially where it says "Projects." Is this a man who is merely a historian? I think not.
Do the Wikipedia mentioned he is a credential Bible lexicographer?
I think anyone can deduce that from checking out his credentials. He knows what he's talking about, and has no bone to pick, not being affiliated with any particular religion. Did you read ALL of what Wikipedia had to say about him? Or just the first sentence?
I read your link and I don't see he was referred as a credential lexicographer. Bible lexicons lead you to the correct meaning of Bible words, if not you will be guilty of eisegesis.
Where in the "Projects" that it says he is a credential Bible Lexicographer?

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