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Is Jesus good? Mark 10:8

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17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”
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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Is Jesus good? Mark 10:8

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1213 wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:28 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:45 am ...You did not address the original Greek of John 1:1, "And God was the Word"...
It says God was the word. Not Jesus is the God, nor that Jesus is the word. Why do you think the word means Jesus?
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:45 am And nowhere in that verse that say Jesus said "He is not God."....
But in other part of the Bible Jesus tells there is only one true God, and that the God is greater than him. Should I rather believe you , or Jesus?

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" Who do you think who that is?
"And God was the Word" that is to say "And God was Jesus.
John 17:3 doesn't say that Jesus is not God.
How could a Christian experience eternal life in Rev 17:3?

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Wootah wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:20 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #29]

Is Jesus good?
Yes, but even his goodness doesn't compare with that of Jehovah, his Father. Jehovah is the supreme model of goodness. After all, He never had a beginning, has lived for eons of time and never will die. It isn't weird that Jesus would say that "no one is good but God." Jehovah is the epitome of goodness.

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Then you call Jesus a liar. Jesus said only God is good.
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Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:00 am "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" Who do you think who that is?
"And God was the Word" that is to say "And God was Jesus.
Bible tells God dwells in Jesus. That is one way to see how "God was made flesh and dwelt among us". I don't think it means Jesus is the God, especially when Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him.
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:00 am How could a Christian experience eternal life in Rev 17:3?
Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. That scripture says: "He carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored animal, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns". How is that experiencing eternal life?

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Wootah wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:31 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #32]
Then you call Jesus a liar. Jesus said only God is good.
I believe that sometime in the past you said that if Jesus is not good he had no right to die for our redemption. You do not think he was good, therefore you are saying that he was a fraud. You are calling him a liar, because he said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) And: "The Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many." (Matthew 20:28) You feel that he didn't have the right to say those things?

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #35]

I think Jesus is good.

I don't think not God can pay for our sins and be a ransom for anything.

Is Jesus good?
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Wootah wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:00 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #35]

I think Jesus is good.

I don't think not God can pay for our sins and be a ransom for anything.

Is Jesus good?
Are you going against the Bible itself when Jesus' Father inspired it to be written that Jesus is the means of salvation?

Jehovah Himself said this at Jesus' baptism: "This is my Son, the beloved; listen to him." (Mark 9:7)

Listening to Jesus meant that what he said should be taken seriously. He stated that he would give his life as a ransom for many. "The Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many." (Matthew 20:28) Are you going against what God Himself said about His Son?

God didn't have to give His life. He commissioned His Son to do it, the Son who is a reflection of Him in every way. Do you agree that God cannot die? He is the Source of life, and if He were dead all of creation would become dead. That necessitated that His representative would come here and die.

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1213 wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:00 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:00 am "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" Who do you think who that is?
"And God was the Word" that is to say "And God was Jesus.
Bible tells God dwells in Jesus. That is one way to see how "God was made flesh and dwelt among us". I don't think it means Jesus is the God, especially when Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him.
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:00 am How could a Christian experience eternal life in Rev 17:3?
Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. That scripture says: "He carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored animal, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns". How is that experiencing eternal life?
Father as greater than Jesus does not prove that Jesus is not God.
I have a son, as a father I have greater role, rank and position than him in our family, but that does not mean I am more human than him.
The Father is greater than Jesus in role, position or rank but they are of the same in the state of being God. (Col 2:9)
In John 17:3, how would a Christian experience eternal life? See verse below;

Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:19 pm
Wootah wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:20 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #29]

Is Jesus good?
Yes, but even his goodness doesn't compare with that of Jehovah, his Father. Jehovah is the supreme model of goodness. After all, He never had a beginning, has lived for eons of time and never will die. It isn't weird that Jesus would say that "no one is good but God." Jehovah is the epitome of goodness.
Jesus said “No one is good—except God alone." Is being alone there is someone else?
Or that someone else is God in nature also?

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Capbook wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:41 pm Father as greater than Jesus does not prove that Jesus is not God.
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It proves they are not the same. And because Bible tells there is only one true God, then logically Jesus is not the one and only true God.

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