Is Jesus good? Mark 10:8

[Wootah]

The Rich and the Kingdom of God
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

For debate: Is Jesus good?

[1213]

...Jesus is God Himself, a separate person from the Father.

Sorry, I think it is illogical to say Jesus is the God and then that he is not the God.

That is to say that Jesus is God (theos), and not the Father (YHWH). They are not the same person.

How do you explain that Jesus is the God, when Jesus himself says there is only one true God and the God is greater than him?

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17

Also Paul tells the same.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13]

So according to you is Jesus not good?

How could I call him good, when he says he is not? I believe what Jesus says and it means he is not himself good. But, I think in this case, he is not absolutely good, because what he does is by God's help. However, I think he is relatively good and better than other men.

How can the work of a not-good person on the cross pay for sins?

Why do you think it was needed? As Bible shows, it was possible to forgive sins before Jesus died:

The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" But Jesus, perceiving their thoughts, answered them, "Why are you reasoning so in your hearts? Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you;' or to say, 'Arise and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25

Jesus gave that same right also to disciples of Jesus:

If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”
John 20:23

No payment required. But, Jesus was killed basically because of that, which is why it can be said that he paid with his life for that. However, God didn't require his death to forgive. And Bible tells the reason why Jesus died is this:

For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52
Most assuredly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit.
John 12:24

[Capbook]

...Jesus is God Himself, a separate person from the Father.

Sorry, I think it is illogical to say Jesus is the God and then that he is not the God.

That is to say that Jesus is God (theos), and not the Father (YHWH). They are not the same person.

How do you explain that Jesus is the God, when Jesus himself says there is only one true God and the God is greater than him?

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17

Also Paul tells the same.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

Yes, Jesus is good because He is God in nature.
The Father is higher in rank, position or role but they are of the same essence. (In the nature of God)
The original Greek construction of John 1:1 (I colored below;) "And God was the Word."
And in Colossians 2:9, Godhead (theotes) defined by lexicon as the nature or state of being God.


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Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

NT:2320 theotes the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

[Wootah]

[Replying to 1213 in post #22]

You are using a passage of the Bible that shows Jesus is God. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus demonstrated that.

Ok here's the thing, we forgive others because God has forgiven us. That is the basis for our forgiveness.

The parable of the unforgiving servant explains this.

If Jesus is not good, then he is a blemished lamb and a worthless sacrifice.

[1213]

Yes, Jesus is good because He is God in nature.

Why do you disagree with Jesus? HE clearly tells that only the God is good and that he is not the God.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Also this shows Jesus is not the God. He is the temple of God. God lives in him.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Fa-ther, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11

And in this case it is god to notice, also disciples of Jesus are the temple of God.

…Don’t you know that you are a temple of God, and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
1 Cor. 3:9-11, 16

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #22]

You are using a passage of the Bible that shows Jesus is God. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus demonstrated that.

If that would be true, also disciples of Jesus are then also Gods, because also they have the right to forgive sins.

If Jesus is not good, then he is a blemished lamb and a worthless sacrifice.

Who are you to say what is worthless sacrifice?

I think the whole idea of him being sacrifice is easily misleading. In my opinion it should be understood this way:

Walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling fragrance.
Eph. 5:2

I think that means, also disciples of Jesus sacrifice their life by walking in love and giving up their life to do good for others.

[Capbook]

Yes, Jesus is good because He is God in nature.

Why do you disagree with Jesus? HE clearly tells that only the God is good and that he is not the God.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Also this shows Jesus is not the God. He is the temple of God. God lives in him.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Fa-ther, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11

And in this case it is god to notice, also disciples of Jesus are the temple of God.

…Don’t you know that you are a temple of God, and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
1 Cor. 3:9-11, 16

You did not address the original Greek of John 1:1, "And God was the Word"
That proves that the word (Jesus) is God.
It does not dis-agree with what Jesus said cause He is God. (John 1:1)
And nowhere in that verse that say Jesus said "He is not God."
It's just you that says that and that makes you against Jesus(The Word).

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Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

[1213]

...You did not address the original Greek of John 1:1, "And God was the Word"...

It says God was the word. Not Jesus is the God, nor that Jesus is the word. Why do you think the word means Jesus?

And nowhere in that verse that say Jesus said "He is not God."....

But in other part of the Bible Jesus tells there is only one true God, and that the God is greater than him. Should I rather believe you , or Jesus?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 1213 in post #22]

You are using a passage of the Bible that shows Jesus is God. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus demonstrated that.

Ok here's the thing, we forgive others because God has forgiven us. That is the basis for our forgiveness.

The parable of the unforgiving servant explains this.

If Jesus is not good, then he is a blemished lamb and a worthless sacrifice.

Jesus was calling attention to the fact that his Father is higher than everyone, including himself (Jesus). Otherwise, he could be called "good" by his followers because he has upon him the fullness of the Godship of the Father. He represents the Father in every way. He is the image of the Father, not the Father Himself. (Colossians 1:15) The image of something is not the thing that it is reflecting.

The Father, God, gave Jesus the power to forgive sins. The ultimate power resides with God, the Father, and He has given that authority to His Son, Jesus. Mark 2:10 says: "...the Son of man has authority to forgive sins upon the earth," showing that Jesus was given that authority from the Father. This is so because he said at Matthew 28:18 that "All authority has been GIVEN me in heaven and on the earth."

Therefore Jesus cannot be God because he was given authority. He didn't already have it. Who is high enough to give him authority? God, who is the Father (John 17:3).

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #29]

Is Jesus good?