Residents Of Everlasting Hell

[BrotherBerry]

This Debate Has Three Dreadful Questions

Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell?

Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell?

Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell?

Word Of Truth Rightly Divided: Consider the question our Lord asked the wicked, " Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? " ( Matthew 23:33 ) The world is filled with such serpents who imagine they can escape the damnation of hell. Scripture assures us they cannot, Luke 16:26, and their doom is everlasting, Matthew 25:46. Some Christians are ashamed of hell, and deem it a blemish to God's holiness, but God is "not worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything," Acts 17:25. Some Christians are saddened by hell, as though God were saddened by it, but this is false. "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought," Deuteronomy 28:63. The LORD will rejoice over you regardless of your fate, be it paradise or hellfire!

Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell? Take Christ's warning to heart: Mark 16:16 " He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." The wicked deny this verse; they even rid it from their Bibles, but God is not deceived; the resurrection of our Lord assures us of the authority of this admonition. Damnation is not a pronouncement with nothing to suffer; It is a castigation with everything to suffer. Consider the voice of him that cried out in the wilderness: " he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life,and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36. Damnation brings every ounce of God's fury with it! People who do not believe in Jesus, must suffer the wrath of God everlastingly in a frightful place " where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:44. Hell's worms will squirm within them, forever mocking their misery, while the flames repeatedly lash about. Nebuchadnezzar heated his furnace sevenfold, Daniel 3:19, beyond that it could do no more, but God's wrath has no limits, It is poured out without mixture, Revelation 14:10.

Do Christians Who Live Sinful Lives Go To Hell? Many Christians fancy themselves immune from God's wrath, "but God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap," Galatians 6:7. The sinful Christian may pretend God's wrath will pass over him, but "we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not", 1 John 5:18. Do you believe in Jesus? "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more lest a worse thing come unto thee," John 5:14. Some Christians think a prayer will hide them from God's wrath. "If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me," Matthew 16:24. Christ doesn't tread the path of iniquity, "he that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself also to walk as He walked," 1 John 2:6. Many Christians will hear the horrifying words, " depart from Me, ye that work iniquity," Matthew 7:23. Prayer without obedience is deception! "Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied to Him with their tongues. For their heart were not right with Him, neither were they steadfast in His covenant." Psalms 78:36,37.

Do Christians Who Have Incorrect Beliefs Go To Hell? There is a woeful amount of ignorant Christians who believe God will spare them His awful wrath. But what saith Scripture? "But there were false prophets also among them, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction," 2 Peter 2:1. Incorrect beliefs, no matter how trivial the Church deems them, are in fact denying the Lord! God is a jealous God, Exodus 34:14, and demands we love Him with all our hearts, souls, and minds, Matthew 22:37. God will have all of the mind or none of it. The lazy Christian who shrugs off his duty to rightly divide the word of truth, 2 Timothy 2:15, thereby embracing foolishness, will receive no grace whatsoever from the Lord. "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven," Matthew 7:21. The will of the Lord, is to understand the will of the Lord, Ephesians 5:17. Paul doesn't admonish us in vain: "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15. Like a workman we are to make it our occupation to study the Scriptures, so that we don't have to be ashamed of our ignorance and unprofitableness. This is the only way we can be approved unto God, fit for obedience and well pleasing to Him. We may have curious differences about things that pertain neither to God or godliness, but concerning the twain Christ saith " how is it that ye do not understand?" Mark 8:21.


Residents Of Everlasting Hell

Whosoever doesn't believe in Jesus will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but disregards righteous conduct will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but embraces ignorance of Scripture or false interpretations thereof, will be accursed!

[BrotherBerry]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #8]

"Fire" doesn't offend me. It is used in the Scriptures to denote literal burning, and perhaps more often meaning complete obliteration. If something is "devoured" by fire, what is left of them? Nothing. Your own scriptural reference shows this about Nadab and Abihu. I don't think anything was left of them. That is what "fire" means in many cases. Gehenna and the Lake of fire are prime examples.

Where can "Gehenna" be found in what Jesus said? He mentioned it at least 7 times in the NT. (Matthew 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33) It was rendered as "hell," wrongly, by the KJV and others. It means total annihilation, not eternal torture.

Ok, you're saying Gehenna means "total annihilation".

Gehenna does not mean "total annihilation," your translation of the word is spurious! Gehenna is Greek for the Hebrew Gehinnom, which means valley of Hinnom. Unless you acknowledge your spurious translation of the word I see no reason to continue engaging you. The word Gehenna does not translate to total annihilation. On any event, I've read a dozen of your remarks to other people on a post called: Does Hell Exist, and spurious definitely comes to mind! The translation of Gehenna is not total annihilation. I don't know why you repeatedly translate the word that way.

[myth-one.com]

Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, yes, the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. But death does not settle God's wrath, ergo the hell verses: Matthew 25:41 "depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his sangels." Clearly, many people will join satan in suffering the everlasting fire! Many more than "one being"

And any person cast into the everlasting fire will suffer for the few seconds required for them to become unconscious and die!

Ok, finally! You budged and admit that hell is painful. Well, we're in agreement after all.

Here's how the scriptures describe it:

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. (Luke 13:28)


Matthew 13:50
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

It seems more apprehension and fear, than pain.

[BrotherBerry]

NOTE Hell is simply the bible word for the common grave of mankind. Everybody, good or bad goes there. The righteous man Job prayed to go to hell, the patriarch Jacob expected to meet his good son Joseph there. People that do believe in Jesus and people that do not all go to "hell" it just means they all die.

GEHENNA on the other hand is death (non-existence without hope of a resurrection and that is reserved for the incorrigibly wicked.

• Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell ? Refering to "Gehenna" not necessarily. Many throughout history died without the opportunity or the time to properly learn about Jesus. A righteous God does not condemn the ignorant.

• Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell? Not necessarily.

• Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell? see above.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

BIBLE "HELL", THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD and ...HELLFIRE TORTURE DEBUNKED

Hell comes from the old English helle which means to cover.
Sheol comes from the Hebrew word shaal which means to ask.
Hades is the name of a Greek god.
Gehenna is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew word Gehinnom which means valley of Hinnom.


Nobody would say, Hitler died and went to cover .
Or Grandma died and went to ask .
Or John died and went to the Greek god Hades .
Or the wicked died and went to the valley of Hinnom .

That would be madness and not reflect the usage of these words in scripture.

The Old Testament Sheol and the New Testament Hades are synonyms for the underworld. Thus Jacob said he'll mourn for Joseph all the way to Sheol, Genesis 37:35 ( not hell as you said) Sheol occurs 66 times in the Old Testament. The Kjv translated it as hell 31 times, but not in the cases you referenced. Use a Kjv concordance if interested.


Though Sheol and Hades are synonyms for the underworld, sometimes they have a creepy vibe, hence the Kjv rendered it hell on occasion. Even the Stone Edition ( Orthodox Jewish translation) translates Sheol as hell occasionally. Couple examples: Proverbs 15:11 "hell and destruction are before HaShem," Proverbs 27:20 "hell and destruction are never full." I recommend the Art Scroll Stone Edition Tanaach if you're interested in this, it has plenty of old rabbinical notes with the translation.

2 Esdras 7:36-44, as well as Jewish tradition, explain the two sides of Sheol. Left is for bad guys, right is for good guys. Luke 16:19-30 references both sides as well.

Luke 16:23 "in Hades he lifted up his eyes being in torment..." It is clear that grave is not the meaning here, hence the Kjv hell. Why was this dude suffering in flames if hell is a Non-existent state as you say?

You said Gehenna is "non-existence without hope of resurrection". Lets see how Jesus used the word. Matthew 18:9 "...cast into hell fire." Non-existent fire without hope of resurrection? That's goofy. Mark 9:45 "...cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." Non-existent unquenchable fire without hope of resurrection? That's ridiculous.




I remember when Serena Williams told an umpire to go to hell. What kind of hell was she telling her to go to?

[JehovahsWitness]

DID RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE GO TO HELL?

JACOB

GENESIS 42:38 - Douay-Rheims Bible

But he said: My son shall not go down with you: his brother is dead, and he is left alone: if any mischief befall him in the land to which you go, you will bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to hell

KING DAVID

PSALM 16:10 - King James Bible
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

NOTE Hell is simply the bible word for the common grave of mankind. Everybody, good or bad goes there. The righteous man Job prayed to go to hell, the patriarch Jacob expected to meet his good son Joseph there. People that do believe in Jesus and people that do not all go to "hell" it just means they all die.

GEHENNA on the other hand is death (non-existence without hope of a resurrection) and that is reserved for the incorrigibly wicked.

FURTHER READING Is Hell Real? What Is Hell According to the Bible?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... hell-real/

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

BIBLE "HELL", THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD and ...HELLFIRE TORTURE DEBUNKED

[JehovahsWitness]

Luke 16:23 "in Hades he lifted up his eyes being in torment..." It is clear that grave is not the meaning here...

DID JESUS TEACH THAT THE WICKED SUFFER AGONY AFTER THEY DIE?

No. Jesus gave some illustrations to teach about the spiritual anguish of the wicked. These illustrations or word pictures were not to be taken literally and were not intended to communicated that the dead continue conscious existence.

The incorrigibly wicked are published with eternal non-existence ( in symbolic GEHENNA) , not eternal torture.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


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[JehovahsWitness]

The ILLUSTRATION of the rich man and lazarus explained: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... rus/#link2


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[BrotherBerry]

Luke 16:23 "in Hades he lifted up his eyes being in torment..." It is clear that grave is not the meaning here...

DID JESUS TEACH THAT THE WICKED SUFFER AGONY AFTER THEY DIE?

No. Jesus gave some illustrations to teach about the spiritual anguish of the wicked. These illustrations or word pictures were not to be taken literally and were not intended to communicated that the dead continue conscious existence.

The incorrigibly wicked are published with eternal non-existence ( in symbolic GEHENNA) , not eternal torture.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


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Are Jesus words at Mark 9:43) speaking'of a literal place?
viewtopic.php?p=1078898#p1078898

Matthew 18:9: Is FIRE used figuratively to represent the literal torture of humans after they die?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 45#p970945

There we have it folks, brought to us by the Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses. "Hell is an illustration not to be taken literally." The JWS use this tactic for everything they don't like. Notice his next post refers me to the JW website. What a cult!

[otseng]

What a cult!

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[onewithhim]

Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, yes, the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. But death does not settle God's wrath, ergo the hell verses: Matthew 25:41 "depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his sangels." Clearly, many people will join satan in suffering the everlasting fire! Many more than "one being"

And any person cast into the everlasting fire will suffer for the few seconds required for them to become unconscious and die!

Ok, finally! You budged and admit that hell is painful. Well, we're in agreement after all.

No, "hell" is not painful. It is mankind's grave. The lake of fire and Gehenna mean complete destruction. There is no pain in any of these. God is not a sadistic monster, as you make him out to be.

[onewithhim]

Luke 16:23 "in Hades he lifted up his eyes being in torment..." It is clear that grave is not the meaning here...

DID JESUS TEACH THAT THE WICKED SUFFER AGONY AFTER THEY DIE?

No. Jesus gave some illustrations to teach about the spiritual anguish of the wicked. These illustrations or word pictures were not to be taken literally and were not intended to communicated that the dead continue conscious existence.

The incorrigibly wicked are published with eternal non-existence ( in symbolic GEHENNA) , not eternal torture.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


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Are Jesus words at Mark 9:43) speaking'of a literal place?
viewtopic.php?p=1078898#p1078898

Matthew 18:9: Is FIRE used figuratively to represent the literal torture of humans after they die?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 45#p970945

There we have it folks, brought to us by the Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses. "Hell is an illustration not to be taken literally." The JWS use this tactic for everything they don't like. Notice his next post refers me to the JW website. What a cult!

You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal. "Hell" has been inserted in all the verses that Jesus spoke about "Gehenna." The two are not the same. "Hell" does not = "Gehenna." Gehenna is the state of non-existence. Why don't you click on JehovahsWitness' links? They explain the subject even more fully.