Residents Of Everlasting Hell

[BrotherBerry]

This Debate Has Three Dreadful Questions

Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell?

Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell?

Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell?

Word Of Truth Rightly Divided: Consider the question our Lord asked the wicked, " Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? " ( Matthew 23:33 ) The world is filled with such serpents who imagine they can escape the damnation of hell. Scripture assures us they cannot, Luke 16:26, and their doom is everlasting, Matthew 25:46. Some Christians are ashamed of hell, and deem it a blemish to God's holiness, but God is "not worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything," Acts 17:25. Some Christians are saddened by hell, as though God were saddened by it, but this is false. "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought," Deuteronomy 28:63. The LORD will rejoice over you regardless of your fate, be it paradise or hellfire!

Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell? Take Christ's warning to heart: Mark 16:16 " He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." The wicked deny this verse; they even rid it from their Bibles, but God is not deceived; the resurrection of our Lord assures us of the authority of this admonition. Damnation is not a pronouncement with nothing to suffer; It is a castigation with everything to suffer. Consider the voice of him that cried out in the wilderness: " he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life,and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36. Damnation brings every ounce of God's fury with it! People who do not believe in Jesus, must suffer the wrath of God everlastingly in a frightful place " where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:44. Hell's worms will squirm within them, forever mocking their misery, while the flames repeatedly lash about. Nebuchadnezzar heated his furnace sevenfold, Daniel 3:19, beyond that it could do no more, but God's wrath has no limits, It is poured out without mixture, Revelation 14:10.

Do Christians Who Live Sinful Lives Go To Hell? Many Christians fancy themselves immune from God's wrath, "but God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap," Galatians 6:7. The sinful Christian may pretend God's wrath will pass over him, but "we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not", 1 John 5:18. Do you believe in Jesus? "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more lest a worse thing come unto thee," John 5:14. Some Christians think a prayer will hide them from God's wrath. "If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me," Matthew 16:24. Christ doesn't tread the path of iniquity, "he that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself also to walk as He walked," 1 John 2:6. Many Christians will hear the horrifying words, " depart from Me, ye that work iniquity," Matthew 7:23. Prayer without obedience is deception! "Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied to Him with their tongues. For their heart were not right with Him, neither were they steadfast in His covenant." Psalms 78:36,37.

Do Christians Who Have Incorrect Beliefs Go To Hell? There is a woeful amount of ignorant Christians who believe God will spare them His awful wrath. But what saith Scripture? "But there were false prophets also among them, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction," 2 Peter 2:1. Incorrect beliefs, no matter how trivial the Church deems them, are in fact denying the Lord! God is a jealous God, Exodus 34:14, and demands we love Him with all our hearts, souls, and minds, Matthew 22:37. God will have all of the mind or none of it. The lazy Christian who shrugs off his duty to rightly divide the word of truth, 2 Timothy 2:15, thereby embracing foolishness, will receive no grace whatsoever from the Lord. "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven," Matthew 7:21. The will of the Lord, is to understand the will of the Lord, Ephesians 5:17. Paul doesn't admonish us in vain: "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15. Like a workman we are to make it our occupation to study the Scriptures, so that we don't have to be ashamed of our ignorance and unprofitableness. This is the only way we can be approved unto God, fit for obedience and well pleasing to Him. We may have curious differences about things that pertain neither to God or godliness, but concerning the twain Christ saith " how is it that ye do not understand?" Mark 8:21.


Residents Of Everlasting Hell

Whosoever doesn't believe in Jesus will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but disregards righteous conduct will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but embraces ignorance of Scripture or false interpretations thereof, will be accursed!

[myth-one.com]

Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!


Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.

Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.

Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?

It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.

Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.


The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.


Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!

I also believe in the Bible from Genesis to the maps. And you make God out to be a sadistic ogre, which he is not. Imagine torturing somebody forever....what would be the purpose? So that God could get some pleasure out of it? No, a fiery hell does not exist. The fire is symbolic of complete destruction. Christ told the Pharisees that they were liable to Gehenna, not Hell (Hades). Do some research on what Gehenna is. It is the same as the lake of fire, both of which mean complete obliteration.

I see that fire offends you.

Leviticus 10:1,2 "and Nadab and Abihu...offered strange fire...and there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them..."

Leviticus 20:14 "and if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire."

Leviticus 21:9 "and the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."

Numbers 11:1 "and when the people complained, it displeased the LORD... and His anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them..."

Time would fail me to mention every time God burned an individual with fire or commanded it to be done to an individual.


God's wrath is not a trivial matter, though you think of Him "as a sadistic ogre."

Sinners will beg the mountains to fall on them and hide them from God's wrath, Revelation 6:16.

Many pseudo-Christians will wish they could vanish and cease to exist, but hell will not afford them that luxury. They will suffer horribly in hell and curse God every moment, Matthew 13:50.

And all the heathen who were told that God's wrath is harmless and hell is a termination of existence, will suffer horribly and curse those who told them lies. They will wish it possible to warn people of hell's flames, Luke 16:28-31.

Many sinners wish they could cease to exist rather than face God's wrath, but "there is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked," Isaiah 48:22

So you're claiming that the wages of sin is not death?

"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement," Hebrew 9:27.

If death settled God's wrath than sinners would just say, "let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we shall die," Isaiah 22:13.

Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, but it is not the eternal verdict, 2 Corinthians 5:10, John 5:22-24.

Eternal judgement is an elementary principle of Christ, Hebrews 6:1,2, which unfortunately is denied by many pseudo-Christians.

The Bible discusses two deaths, the first and the second. The first mandatory death is that of our physical bodies as they exist now:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

The second possible death is discussed in the book of Revelation:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

An everlasting life of torment is not a second death! In the traditional Christian concept, man has an immortal soul which neither the first nor second death can kill. Therefore, for these traditional Christian theologians, death must be interpreted to be something other than death! This contradicts the Bible, which states that the unsaved die, perish, and are lost and gone for eternity. That is the end, or death, of them.

There is no recovery from the second death. Christians are saved from the second death, when they are born again as immortal spiritual bodies after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:

He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Revelation 2:11)

After being born again of the Spirit (God) as immortal spirits, death will no longer apply to believers.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers in Christ will have everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

Nonbelievers will have to pay the wages for their sins -- which is simply the second and everlasting death.

[BrotherBerry]

Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!


Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.

Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.

Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?

It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.

Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.


The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.


Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!

I also believe in the Bible from Genesis to the maps. And you make God out to be a sadistic ogre, which he is not. Imagine torturing somebody forever....what would be the purpose? So that God could get some pleasure out of it? No, a fiery hell does not exist. The fire is symbolic of complete destruction. Christ told the Pharisees that they were liable to Gehenna, not Hell (Hades). Do some research on what Gehenna is. It is the same as the lake of fire, both of which mean complete obliteration.

I see that fire offends you.

Leviticus 10:1,2 "and Nadab and Abihu...offered strange fire...and there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them..."

Leviticus 20:14 "and if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire."

Leviticus 21:9 "and the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."

Numbers 11:1 "and when the people complained, it displeased the LORD... and His anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them..."

Time would fail me to mention every time God burned an individual with fire or commanded it to be done to an individual.


God's wrath is not a trivial matter, though you think of Him "as a sadistic ogre."

Sinners will beg the mountains to fall on them and hide them from God's wrath, Revelation 6:16.

Many pseudo-Christians will wish they could vanish and cease to exist, but hell will not afford them that luxury. They will suffer horribly in hell and curse God every moment, Matthew 13:50.

And all the heathen who were told that God's wrath is harmless and hell is a termination of existence, will suffer horribly and curse those who told them lies. They will wish it possible to warn people of hell's flames, Luke 16:28-31.

Many sinners wish they could cease to exist rather than face God's wrath, but "there is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked," Isaiah 48:22

So you're claiming that the wages of sin is not death?

"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement," Hebrew 9:27.

If death settled God's wrath than sinners would just say, "let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we shall die," Isaiah 22:13.

Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, but it is not the eternal verdict, 2 Corinthians 5:10, John 5:22-24.

Eternal judgement is an elementary principle of Christ, Hebrews 6:1,2, which unfortunately is denied by many pseudo-Christians.

The Bible discusses two deaths, the first and the second. The first mandatory death is that of our physical bodies as they exist now:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (Hebrews 9:27)

The second possible death is discussed in the book of Revelation:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

An everlasting life of torment is not a second death! In the traditional Christian concept, man has an immortal soul which neither the first nor second death can kill. Therefore, for these traditional Christian theologians, death must be interpreted to be something other than death! This contradicts the Bible, which states that the unsaved die, perish, and are lost and gone for eternity. That is the end, or death, of them.

There is no recovery from the second death. Christians are saved from the second death, when they are born again as immortal spiritual bodies after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:

He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Revelation 2:11)

After being born again of the Spirit (God) as immortal spirits, death will no longer apply to believers.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers in Christ will have everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

Nonbelievers will have to pay the wages for their sins -- which is simply the second and everlasting death.

Believers will be born of the Spirit as spirits and live forever.

You remind me of the Athenians, who spent all their time in nothing else "but either to tell or hear some new thing," Acts 17:21.

There was disagreement among early Christian scholars as to whether the misery of hell was permanent or temporary, but none of them imagined a disappearing act!

The "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46, is "to be tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24, not to... abracadabra... disappear.

God does not do abracadabra justice. I realize sinners wish they could disappear and escape God's wrath, but scripture assures us they cannot.

To call your version of hell the traditional Christian view is false! Even the annihilationists imagined a gradual degradation in the misery of hell untill nothing was left of them, not an immediate obliteration of existence!

I realize hell is a bothersome topic for unbelievers, but alleviativing their concern with an abracadabra hell is not the solution.

[myth-one.com]

The "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46, is "to be tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24, not to... abracadabra... disappear.

You are in conflict with the God inspired scriptures, which state that the wages of sin is death:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

That death is described in Revelation:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

Those humans cast into the lake of fire quickly suffer their second and everlasting death.

So the wages of sin is the second death and it is everlasting, they will never live again.

The wages of sin is NOT everlasting torment anywhere as the dead know nothing:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

[BrotherBerry]

The "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46, is "to be tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24, not to... abracadabra... disappear.

You are in conflict with the God inspired scriptures, which state that the wages of sin is death:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

That death is described in Revelation:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

Those humans cast into the lake of fire quickly suffer their second and everlasting death.

So the wages of sin is the second death and it is everlasting, they will never live again.

The wages of sin is NOT everlasting torment anywhere as the dead know nothing:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Well, your abracadabra hell has no scriptural support, you're simply making emotional arguments. "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked," Jeremiah 17:9.


I've repeatedly shown verses whose plain meaning signifies a place of torment. I also showed how early Christian scholars debated whether hell was a permanent place of misery or a temporary place of misery, but your abracadabra hell is new.

[myth-one.com]

The "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46, is "to be tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24, not to... abracadabra... disappear.

You are in conflict with the God inspired scriptures, which state that the wages of sin is death:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

That death is described in Revelation:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

Those humans cast into the lake of fire quickly suffer their second and everlasting death.

So the wages of sin is the second death and it is everlasting, they will never live again.

The wages of sin is NOT everlasting torment anywhere as the dead know nothing:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Well, your abracadabra hell has no scriptural support, you're simply making emotional arguments. "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked," Jeremiah 17:9.


I've repeatedly shown verses whose plain meaning signifies a place of torment. I also showed how early Christian scholars debated whether hell was a permanent place of misery or a temporary place of misery, but your abracadabra hell is new.

The Bible only mentions one being that is tormented day and night forever in the lake of fire:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Consult your "early Christian scholars " about that fact.

[BrotherBerry]

The "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46, is "to be tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24, not to... abracadabra... disappear.

You are in conflict with the God inspired scriptures, which state that the wages of sin is death:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

That death is described in Revelation:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

Those humans cast into the lake of fire quickly suffer their second and everlasting death.

So the wages of sin is the second death and it is everlasting, they will never live again.

The wages of sin is NOT everlasting torment anywhere as the dead know nothing:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Well, your abracadabra hell has no scriptural support, you're simply making emotional arguments. "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked," Jeremiah 17:9.


I've repeatedly shown verses whose plain meaning signifies a place of torment. I also showed how early Christian scholars debated whether hell was a permanent place of misery or a temporary place of misery, but your abracadabra hell is new.

The Bible only mentions one being that is tormented day and night forever in the lake of fire:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Consult your "early Christian scholars " about that fact.

Your quote mentions three beings


Once again, the church fathers debated whether the misery of hell was permanent or temporary, none of them taught an instant obliteration of existence. Annihilationists believed in a gradual degradation in the misery of hell until its inhabitants were no more. This is absolutely different from your abracadabra hell.


I only mentioned them because you falsely stated that your version of hell is the "traditional view."

You're basing your entire argument for an abracadabra hell on "the wages of sin is death," Romans 6:23, coupled with an emotional interpretation of the book of Revelation.


Jesus clearly depicted hell as a place of everlasting punishment, Matthew 25:46, and torment, Luke 16:24.


In reference to Romans 6:23, the Bible plainly says that 'it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement, Hebrews 9:27. Hebrews 6:1,2 calls eternal judgement an elementary principle, this isn't an esoteric matter that requires engaging in mental gymnastics to explain away Jesus' depictions of hell.


Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, yes, the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. But death does not settle God's wrath, ergo the hell verses: Matthew 25:41 "depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his sangels." Clearly, many people will join satan in suffering the everlasting fire! Many more than "one being"

[myth-one.com]

Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, yes, the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. But death does not settle God's wrath, ergo the hell verses: Matthew 25:41 "depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his sangels." Clearly, many people will join satan in suffering the everlasting fire! Many more than "one being"

And any person cast into the everlasting fire will suffer for the few seconds required for them to become unconscious and die!

[onewithhim]

I don't think anyone commented on post #2. That is a lot of good information and might de-escalate any confusion. There has been a lot of spurious rendering of important words in the Scriptures that tend to thoroughly confuse people, and I see a lot of that on this thread.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to BrotherBerry in post #8]

"Fire" doesn't offend me. It is used in the Scriptures to denote literal burning, and perhaps more often meaning complete obliteration. If something is "devoured" by fire, what is left of them? Nothing. Your own scriptural reference shows this about Nadab and Abihu. I don't think anything was left of them. That is what "fire" means in many cases. Gehenna and the Lake of fire are prime examples.

Where can "Gehenna" be found in what Jesus said? He mentioned it at least 7 times in the NT. (Matthew 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33) It was rendered as "hell," wrongly, by the KJV and others. It means total annihilation, not eternal torture.

[BrotherBerry]

Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, yes, the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. But death does not settle God's wrath, ergo the hell verses: Matthew 25:41 "depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his sangels." Clearly, many people will join satan in suffering the everlasting fire! Many more than "one being"

And any person cast into the everlasting fire will suffer for the few seconds required for them to become unconscious and die!

Ok, finally! You budged and admit that hell is painful. Well, we're in agreement after all.