Does God suffer emotional pain?

[OnceConvinced]

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When In the wilderness when the Israelites rebelled, complained, threatened to kill his representatives, and openly defied him time and time again, he fed them, clothed them and protected them and that for 40 years. And dispite the emotional pain they caused him, he didn't renounce on his promise to lead them as a people to the promised land.

Does God suffer emotional pain?
If so would that mean God was not perfect? Why? Why not?

[2timothy316]

Humans were designed to be emotional people, even being able to shed tears.

There is no evidence of that from the Bible. There were no tears shed in the Garden.

There is no evidence they smiled or laughed either.

It wasn't until after the fall that humans began to experience pain.

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall. What were A&E then? Rocks? So something must be wrong with the logic.

If God experiences emotional pain and sheds tears, then he too must have experienced some fall from his original state.

Or His original state includes the ability to feel emotional pain.

Psalm 94:9 says, "The One who made the ear, can he not hear? The One who formed the eye, can he not see? The One correcting the nations, can he not reprove? He is the One who imparts knowledge to people! Jehovah knows the thoughts of men."

If God knows the thoughts of men, including emotional pain, can He not understand emotional pain Himself? If He can't then must He also be blind and deaf since He doesn't have human eyes and ears?

[Tcg]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that says they laughed either. Did they laugh? You're argument has a gaping hole in it. If the Bible doesn't say they cried or laughed why do you choose just one and say it didn't happen? What is your evidence that one happened but the other didn't? If I say, they didn't laugh before the fall because there is nothing in the Bible says they laughed, Am I right?

Please enlighten us on the emotions they did have in a list.

[Tcg]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that says they laughed either. Did they laugh? You're argument has a gaping hole in it. If the Bible doesn't say they cried or laughed why do you choose just one and say it didn't happen? What is your evidence that one happened but the other didn't? If I say, they didn't laugh before the fall because there is nothing in the Bible says they laughed, Am I right?

Please enlighten us on the emotions they did have in a list.

I've already addressed this quite clearly. No pain, no tears.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that says they laughed either. Did they laugh? You're argument has a gaping hole in it. If the Bible doesn't say they cried or laughed why do you choose just one and say it didn't happen? What is your evidence that one happened but the other didn't? If I say, they didn't laugh before the fall because there is nothing in the Bible says they laughed, Am I right?

Please enlighten us on the emotions they did have in a list.

I've already addressed this quite clearly. No pain, no tears.


Tcg

So if I say, they didn't laugh because there is nothing in the Bible that says they ever laughed, would it be true that they never laughed?

[Tcg]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that says they laughed either. Did they laugh? You're argument has a gaping hole in it. If the Bible doesn't say they cried or laughed why do you choose just one and say it didn't happen? What is your evidence that one happened but the other didn't? If I say, they didn't laugh before the fall because there is nothing in the Bible says they laughed, Am I right?

Please enlighten us on the emotions they did have in a list.

I've already addressed this quite clearly. No pain, no tears.


Tcg

So if I say, they didn't laugh because there is nothing in the Bible that says they ever laughed, would it be true that they never laughed?

That would be for you to determine. I've expressed no opinion on laughter. Once again, I suggest you address what I have said. No pain, no tears... remember?


Tcg

[2timothy316]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that says they laughed either. Did they laugh? You're argument has a gaping hole in it. If the Bible doesn't say they cried or laughed why do you choose just one and say it didn't happen? What is your evidence that one happened but the other didn't? If I say, they didn't laugh before the fall because there is nothing in the Bible says they laughed, Am I right?

Please enlighten us on the emotions they did have in a list.

I've already addressed this quite clearly. No pain, no tears.


Tcg

So if I say, they didn't laugh because there is nothing in the Bible that says they ever laughed, would it be true that they never laughed?

That would be for you to determine. I've expressed no opinion on laughter. Once again, I suggest you address what I have said. No pain, no tears... remember?


Tcg

So the reason there was laughter is because you have no opinion on laughter and the reason there was no crying is because you have determined you do have an opinion on crying. So if I say there was no laughter than I'm right because you said, "that would be for me to determine". What right do I have to determine if they laughed or not and what right do you have to say they didn't cry? I don't see how opinion makes you right about crying.

[Tcg]

By your logic then they couldn't smile or laugh until after the fall.

Not at all. I didn't say there would have been no emotions before the fall. I said there would have been no pain and therefore no tears. It'd be easier if you addressed what I say rather than creating a straw man.


Tcg

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that says they laughed either. Did they laugh? You're argument has a gaping hole in it. If the Bible doesn't say they cried or laughed why do you choose just one and say it didn't happen? What is your evidence that one happened but the other didn't? If I say, they didn't laugh before the fall because there is nothing in the Bible says they laughed, Am I right?

Please enlighten us on the emotions they did have in a list.

I've already addressed this quite clearly. No pain, no tears.


Tcg

So if I say, they didn't laugh because there is nothing in the Bible that says they ever laughed, would it be true that they never laughed?

That would be for you to determine. I've expressed no opinion on laughter. Once again, I suggest you address what I have said. No pain, no tears... remember?


Tcg

So the reason there was laughter is because you have no opinion on laughter and the reason there was no crying is because you have determined you do have an opinion on crying. I don't see how that makes you right about crying.

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

[2timothy316]

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

Lets take it one question at time. Because I am addressing it but for some reason your avoiding my questions.

Why do you think your opinion is right they never cried or had any pain in Eden?

There is no evidence of that from the Bible they never cried or had any pain. Nowhere does it say they were, 'painless or tearless'.

[Tcg]

I'm not sure why you continue to avoid addressing what I have actually said. I said that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter. That means quite simply that I have not expressed any opinion on laughter and nothing more.

I have clearly explained that there would be no crying before the fall because there would be no pain before the fall. Nothing in this explanation supports your false conclusion that I think I am right about crying because I do have an opinion on it.

I'm not sure why you continue to misrepresent what I say and avoid addressing what I have actually said. Whatever the reason, it is not very productive.


Tcg

Lets take it one question at time. Because I am addressing it but for some reason your avoiding my questions.

Why do you think your opinion is right they never cried or had any pain in Eden?

There is no evidence of that from the Bible they never cried or had any pain. Nowhere does it say they were, 'painless or tearless'.

I have addressed your questions by pointing out the fact that they are based on straw man arguments of your creation.

I am referring to the pre-fall Eden. What pain would a sinless existence include?


Tcg