A comparison between "faith" and reason

[polonius]

[ttruscott]

RESPONSE: If it is "Faith with evidence" is not faith. If there is evidence, it is no long faith (without evidence).

How do you prove this? Faith is hope based upon the evidence for how can one hope for what they have never heard of or conceived of? We are not likely to put our faith in Blxfiss from NIFtimble are we? Or rather, we should have faith in __________ of _______ which cannot be named as that would constitute evidence!

How could there be faith that YHWH was telling us the truth about reality if there was no bible, no gospel, no stories about Christ, no Church testimony, no believer's witness to the changed character of the repentant? Your dog is up the wrong tree, methinks.

Anyway, scripture says: Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. and if we are not hearing evidence, then are we just hearing the wind?

[polonius]

TTruscott posted:

How do you prove this? Faith is hope based upon the evidence for how can one hope for what they have never heard of or conceived of?

RESPONSE: What one hears of or conceives of is not evidence of its actual existence. It can be pure wishful thinking although a religious belief.

if we are not hearing evidence, then are we just hearing the wind?

RESPONSE: If there is not factual evidence, that's about the size of it.

For example, in some of the eastern religions it is believed that the earth is held up by four elephants riding on the back of a large tortoise. Do you have "faith" in this belief? Many do.

From Wikipedia:

The World Turtle (also referred to as the Cosmic Turtle, the World-bearing Turtle, or the Divine Turtle) is a mytheme of a giant turtle (or tortoise) supporting or containing the world. The mytheme, which is similar to that of the World Elephant and World Serpent, occurs in Hindu mythology, Chinese mythology and the mythologies of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. The "World-Tortoise" mytheme was discussed comparatively by Edward Burnett Tylor (1878:341).

It is a matter of faith and believed in by many people. Are you one of them?

[ThePainefulTruth]

[polonius]

[polonius]

[ThePainefulTruth]

"the sacred and divine Scriptures" or a matter of "faith."

All I'm trying to do is distinguish blind faith from reasoned faith. Think of it as differentiating between unbridled emotion vs. reasoned feelings. I don't disagree with any of you examples of blind faith in religion.