It is fairly widely understood that the term "Christ" means the "anointed one", and so "Jesus Christ" really means "Jesus the Anointed".
For debate, should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?
Does God ever anoint Himself?
Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
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Elijah John
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Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #2[Replying to Elijah John]
Jesus was true God AND true man. The anointing pertained to the human part of Jesus.
The part of Him that is human He does.Does God ever anoint Himself?
Jesus was true God AND true man. The anointing pertained to the human part of Jesus.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #3Doesn't every believer, (and arguably) every human, contain a "spark of the Divine"? Aren't we all made in God's image? And as "Temples of the Holy Spirit", don't we all have a composite nature, not just Jesus?RightReason wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]
The part of Him that is human He does.Does God ever anoint Himself?
Jesus was true God AND true man. The anointing pertained to the human part of Jesus.
Yet God, through the prophets only annointed humans, composite or not. He did not annoint "gods".
And if, as the name implies, Jesus Christ is Jesus the Annointed One, who annointed Jesus, when?
Was it God through John the Baptist?
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #4[Replying to Elijah John]
Also, God did not only anoint humans. He anointed angels (Lucifer in particular) . . .
“You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones�. - Ezekiel 28:14
Asked and answered. The human nature of Jesus was anointed.Yet God, through the prophets only annointed humans, composite or not. He did not annoint "gods".
Also, God did not only anoint humans. He anointed angels (Lucifer in particular) . . .
“You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones�. - Ezekiel 28:14
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Post #5
Elijah John wrote:
To be made in God's image means that we have free will and intelligence and, therefore, are capable of reasoned thought and making decisions. It means we are relational creatures with the ability to love. It means we are creative. In short, we share some of his characteristics, but divinity is not one of them.
The only people who are "temples of the Holy Spirit" are people who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Saviour. One can only be filled with the Holy Spirit when one is re-born in Jesus.
The idea that everybody contains a "spark of the divine" is a New Age belief.Doesn't every believer, (and arguably) every human, contain a "spark of the Divine"? Aren't we all made in God's image? And as "Temples of the Holy Spirit", don't we all have a composite nature, not just Jesus?
To be made in God's image means that we have free will and intelligence and, therefore, are capable of reasoned thought and making decisions. It means we are relational creatures with the ability to love. It means we are creative. In short, we share some of his characteristics, but divinity is not one of them.
The only people who are "temples of the Holy Spirit" are people who have accepted Christ as their Lord and Saviour. One can only be filled with the Holy Spirit when one is re-born in Jesus.
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[Replying to post 5 by Overcomer]
Actually, if the notion of the "Divine Spark" is a "New Age" belief, they got it from Judaism. Even an Evangelical pamphlet I read which summarized the different reiigions in comaparison with Christianity said so, then rejected Judaism along with all the other competitors to Chrsitianity.
So, you seem to be saying that only Evangelical "born again" Christans harbor the Holy Spirit. How about the adherants to other great ethical religions? Pope John Paul II writes that whatever is good, beautiful and true in the other great world reigions, is the product of the activity of the Holy Sprit in those religions. (or words to that effect)
And the Orthodox Church, which holds that the Spirit "prodeeds from the Father", opens a window that other non-Christian people can be led by the Spirit as well.
This in contrast, (despite JP II's statements) to the RCC and liturgical Protestant Churches, who hold the position that the Spirit proceeds from the "Father and the Son".
That would seem to exlude other religions, unless of course the Son also send the Spirit to those other religions unbenownest of the Spirit's origin.
Actually, if the notion of the "Divine Spark" is a "New Age" belief, they got it from Judaism. Even an Evangelical pamphlet I read which summarized the different reiigions in comaparison with Christianity said so, then rejected Judaism along with all the other competitors to Chrsitianity.
So, you seem to be saying that only Evangelical "born again" Christans harbor the Holy Spirit. How about the adherants to other great ethical religions? Pope John Paul II writes that whatever is good, beautiful and true in the other great world reigions, is the product of the activity of the Holy Sprit in those religions. (or words to that effect)
And the Orthodox Church, which holds that the Spirit "prodeeds from the Father", opens a window that other non-Christian people can be led by the Spirit as well.
This in contrast, (despite JP II's statements) to the RCC and liturgical Protestant Churches, who hold the position that the Spirit proceeds from the "Father and the Son".
That would seem to exlude other religions, unless of course the Son also send the Spirit to those other religions unbenownest of the Spirit's origin.
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My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #7[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
I see no reason why someone anointed by anyone be the person doing the anointing or even be equal to them simply by anointing.
Now of course with things 'of God', common sense doesn't work. There always seems to be a "yes, but" clause we can play with so there's that to consider.
The Queen can knight someone that doesn't make them a Queen or King really (not an apples to apples comparison I know).should the anointed of God ever be considered to be God?
I see no reason why someone anointed by anyone be the person doing the anointing or even be equal to them simply by anointing.
Now of course with things 'of God', common sense doesn't work. There always seems to be a "yes, but" clause we can play with so there's that to consider.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #8God does not have a "part of Him that is human".RightReason wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]
The part of Him that is human He does.Does God ever anoint Himself?
Jesus was true God AND true man. The anointing pertained to the human part of Jesus.
All of Him is God, the only true God.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #9Do you mean "all of Jesus is God" or "all of the Father is God"?Checkpoint wrote:God does not have a "part of Him that is human".RightReason wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]
The part of Him that is human He does.Does God ever anoint Himself?
Jesus was true God AND true man. The anointing pertained to the human part of Jesus.
All of Him is God, the only true God.
If the former, that is considerd a heresy by the Church. If the latter, I agree completely.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Should the anointed OF God, ever be considered
Post #10The latter (of course!).Elijah John wrote:Do you mean "all of Jesus is God" or "all of the Father is God"?Checkpoint wrote:God does not have a "part of Him that is human".RightReason wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]
The part of Him that is human He does.Does God ever anoint Himself?
Jesus was true God AND true man. The anointing pertained to the human part of Jesus.
All of Him is God, the only true God.
If the former, that is considerd a heresy by the Church. If the latter, I agree completely.
