Trinity

[Artiom8010]

Why Catholic Church say that The mystery of the Holy Trinity not impossibility to unravel. But I read one newspaper and found one internetsite where one man spoke that God is a Thought. Holy Spirit is Thinking. Christ is a Word or Action. Christ is a ultimate goal of contempliation of a thought. I think that is true.

[myth-one.com]

Dude, you're a trip.

Thanks.

Unlike you,I haven't changed my story even once.

Here's a common one which you change often:

Jesus was resurrected as a natural bodied man:

No, he did not.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39)

Regarding that verse, you wrote:

Here Jesus claims that he is a man.

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I questioned your claims when we started,
and you have changed your tune.

You are fantasizing.

You keep telling me that flesh and blood
can not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Actually, I'm simply repeating what the Bible says.

But i keep telling you that flesh and blood
DID NOT INHERIT the Kingdom of God.

Yes, that was your comical interpretation of Luke 24:39 that Jesus was resurrected with "flesh and bone" and no blood.

How else would he come back from death
if not by being born again?

All nonbelievers will be resurrected exactly like Jesus from their graves. Are they "born again" also?

But you challenge them based on what you have been taught. And even that changes periodically. You still can’t decide if Jesus was resurrected as a man, or born again as a spirit from His tomb! Presently, you have Him being born again from His tomb as an unnatural man. Is that correct? If correct, is that your final answer?

I challenge you to provide proof
that I altered any of my claims?

Are you honestly "testifying" that you have not repeated changed course on whether Jesus was resurrected as a natural body or a spiritual body? I believe your final statement was that He was resurrected as an unnatural body.

[InTheFlesh]

Are you honestly "testifying" that you have not repeated changed course on whether Jesus was resurrected as a natural body or a spiritual body? I believe your final statement was that He was resurrected as an unnatural body.

I have not changed any of my claims during this debate.
Just because you lack understanding,
doesn't mean I changed my claims.

I never claimed that Jesus rose with a natural body.
If you disagree, post the evidence.

Yes, that was your comical interpretation of Luke 24:39 that Jesus was resurrected with "flesh and bone" and no blood.

Quoting scripture word for word is not interpretation.
You "changing" what is written is private interpretation.
See the difference?

[InTheFlesh]

Gen.1
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Col.1
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

1Cor.15
[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Cor.15
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

[myth-one.com]

Greetings to you Ankh,

Jesus forfeited His life to save us from the second death.

Not so Myth! Jesus the Christ sacrificed his life to save all from the death and condemnation that passed unto all mankind as a result of father Adam's transgression.

I would normally counter by saying there is one, and only one, true death -- the last, or second death in this case. But I've mentioned that before so let's hold that in reserve this time.

Now what? Once all are resurrected -- our "get out of hell free" card is gone. But we will still are left with freedom of choice, the wages of sin will still be death, and we will sin again.

We will have only succeeded in cycling back to where we began -- only short of a Savior, unless another one volunteers.

Then what?

[myth-one.com]

Are you honestly "testifying" that you have not repeated changed course on whether Jesus was resurrected as a natural body or a spiritual body? I believe your final statement was that He was resurrected as an unnatural body.

I have not changed any of my claims during this debate.
Just because you lack understanding,
doesn't mean I changed my claims.

I never claimed that Jesus rose with a natural body.
If you disagree, post the evidence.

Yes, that was your comical interpretation of Luke 24:39 that Jesus was resurrected with "flesh and bone" and no blood.

Quoting scripture word for word is not interpretation.
You "changing" what is written is private interpretation.
See the difference?

[myth-one.com]

At the resurrection,
Jesus was born again.
After you are born again,
you don't die anymore.

But all mankind will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

This includes believers and non-believers.

Jesus set the example, by being the first to be resurrected.

Now you claim that being resurrected means being born again never to die anymore.

Thus all mankind will be born again never to die anymore.

So what does it profit one to become a believer?

[InTheFlesh]

At the resurrection,
Jesus was born again.
After you are born again,
you don't die anymore.

But all mankind will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

This includes believers and non-believers.

Jesus set the example, by being the first to be resurrected.

Now you claim that being resurrected means being born again never to die anymore.

Thus all mankind will be born again never to die anymore.

So what does it profit one to become a believer?

I was referring to the resurrection of the believer.
Was Jesus an unbeliever?

The unbeliever is born again to everlasting punishment
and the believer is born again to life eternal.

Matt.25
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[myth-one.com]

I was referring to the resurrection of the believer.
Was Jesus an unbeliever?

Jesus lived a sinless life, and neither needed nor desired a Savior from the wages of sin! Believer or unbeliever does not apply to Him.

The unbeliever is born again to everlasting punishment
and the believer is born again to life eternal.

The unbelievers are not resurrected only to be killed again! That's totally illogical.

If that was the case, why not simply let them remain dead?

They are resurrected so they can hear the good news of the Gospel and make their choice of whether to accept or reject Jesus as their Savior.

[Ankh]

Jesus forfeited His life to save us from the second death.

Not so Myth! Jesus the Christ sacrificed his life to save all from the death and condemnation that passed unto all mankind as a result of father Adam's transgression.

I would normally counter by saying there is one, and only one, true death -- the last, or second death in this case. But I've mentioned that before so let's hold that in reserve this time.

Now what? Once all are resurrected -- our "get out of hell free" card is gone. But we will still are left with freedom of choice, the wages of sin will still be death, and we will sin again.

We will have only succeeded in cycling back to where we began -- only short of a Savior, unless another one volunteers.

Then what?

Greetings there Myth,
Now in regards to your response...

Myth, it’s really not that controversial as you make it out to be. Heck, even you admit that the unbelievers are not resurrected only to be killed again, but are given an opportunity to come to faith in Christ… right?

Allow me once again to emphasis… the “ransom for all� as Paul states in 1 Timothy 2:6 guarantees that all will be “made alive" ~ possess life ~ just as Adam possessed in the beginning. (1 Cor. 15:22). But, just as Adam's everlasting life was conditional, so will everlasting life for the restored man in the age to come be conditional, for do we not read in Acts 3:23 this...

"And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet (speaking of Jesus) shall be destroyed from among the people"

Given as a gift, everlasting life will not be forced into a never-ending existence upon any, nor will it be a reward given as a result of works. It does however release the sinner from the first condemnation and its results (DEATH), both direct and indirect, and justifies him to life ~ counts him/her as alive. (Romans 3:23-24, 5:18,21. But once received, however, any completely willful disobedience will still bring death... that penalty will be the "second death," from which there will be no ransom, no release, because there will be no purpose served for another ransom or a further trial.

Understand, all will have fully seen and tasted both good and evil. All will have witnessed and experienced the goodness and love of God. All will have had a full, fair, individual trial for life, under most favorable conditions. More could not be asked, and more will not be given. That trial (judgment) will decide forever who will be righteous and incorruptible.

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Revelation 22:11)

You ask, "Now what?' And I say... rejoice, rejoice in the fact that God through Christ has reconciled the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them (2 Cor. 5:19), and has sent His Son to be the Saviour of the world (1 John 4:14), this is the "good tidings" of great joy, which shall be to all people. (Luke 2:10-11)

Good evening, and may the New Year bring you much blessings.

Ankh

[myth-one.com]

Jesus forfeited His life to save us from the second death.

Not so Myth!

You claim that Jesus saved all humanity from their first death -- because all will be resurrected.

I pointed out that after that resurrection, mankind is back where we began. That is, we are human, we still have freedom of choice, the wages of sin is still death, and there is no reason to believe that all of us will not eventually sin again. When and if that occurs, you agree that we will suffer the second, final and eternal, death -- never to live again.

Heck, even you admit that the unbelievers are not resurrected only to be killed again, but are given an opportunity to come to faith in Christ… right?

Right. What has that to do with this current discussion?

Given as a gift, everlasting life will not be forced into a never-ending existence upon any, nor will it be a reward given as a result of works. It does however release the sinner from the first condemnation and its results (DEATH), both direct and indirect, and justifies him to life ~ counts him/her as alive. (Romans 3:23-24, 5:18,21. But once received, however, any completely willful disobedience will still bring death... that penalty will be the "second death," from which there will be no ransom, no release, because there will be no purpose served for another ransom or a further trial.

Under that scenario, do you really believe that any of mankind will not have sinned and suffered the second death – in only a few years?

Let’s say a million years have passed since all humans have been resurrected from their first “death.� Do you believe any of us can live a million years after the resurrection without sinning?

Understand, all will have fully seen and tasted both good and evil. All will have witnessed and experienced the goodness and love of God. All will have had a full, fair, individual trial for life, under most favorable conditions. More could not be asked, and more will not be given. That trial (judgment) will decide forever who will be righteous and incorruptible.

Let’s say after a billion years, any of us still haven’t sinned?

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Revelation 22:11)

Satan must have been considered righteous and holy at some time, since He was given power over the earth with angels under his control. Yet, He sinned. Why will we be any different?

You ask, "Now what?' And I say... rejoice, rejoice in the fact that God through Christ has reconciled the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them (2 Cor. 5:19), and has sent His Son to be the Saviour of the world (1 John 4:14), this is the "good tidings" of great joy, which shall be to all people. (Luke 2:10-11)

The “few� of mankind who enter the Kingdom of God will be less likely to sin because of their experiences and training during their first short human life. They tried it their way and failed. Now they agree that God’s way is the best way.

Nonetheless, sin is still possible! And given eternity, we will sin again!

Then, under your scenario, that’s the final curtain for each of us – the second death. Over time, all will perish!

Good evening, and may the New Year bring you much blessings.

Same to you and yours, Ankh!!