Why Acts 2:38 is NOT for us today ?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and since my youth , I have heard that we are to be Baptized for the remission of sins . Lets look at what Acts 2:38 really is saying .

#1 , What is the CONTEXT of Acts 2 ?

#2 , In verse 1 , it is a Jewish feast day .

#3 , Then verse 5 , says the context is all about Jews from Jersualem and from every Nation under heaven , scattered among the Roman empire .

#4 , And in verse 16 , they , the Jews should have known , from the Old Testament because it is written in the book of Joel 2:28-32 .

#5 , thyen in Acts 2:36 , Therefore , let all the house of Israel lnow assurely , that God hath made that same Jesus , whom you have CRUCIFIED both Jehovah and MESSIAH .

#6 , Peter is accusing ther house of Israel , of the murder of their MESSIAH .

#7 , The Jews were cut to the heart , and said , " Men and what shall we do ".

#8 , What shall we do about it , because we killed him and He is dead .

#9 , Peter says to them , " REPENT ( of the murder ) and be Baptized ( in other words , be CLEANSED ) everyone one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the FORGIVENESS of sins ( the forgiveness of the murder ) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit .

#10 , This form of BAPTISM is the forgiveness of the MURDER of Christ and has N0THING to do with Gentiles today .

[Amos]

Hi to all , and since my youth , I have heard that we are to be Baptized for the remission of sins . Lets look at what Acts 2:38 really is saying .

#1 , What is the CONTEXT of Acts 2 ?

#2 , In verse 1 , it is a Jewish feast day .

#3 , Then verse 5 , says the context is all about Jews from Jersualem and from every Nation under heaven , scattered among the Roman empire .

#4 , And in verse 16 , they , the Jews should have known , from the Old Testament because it is written in the book of Joel 2:28-32 .

#5 , thyen in Acts 2:36 , Therefore , let all the house of Israel lnow assurely , that God hath made that same Jesus , whom you have CRUCIFIED both Jehovah and MESSIAH .

#6 , Peter is accusing ther house of Israel , of the murder of their MESSIAH .

#7 , The Jews were cut to the heart , and said , " Men and what shall we do ".

#8 , What shall we do about it , because we killed him and He is dead .

#9 , Peter says to them , " REPENT ( of the murder ) and be Baptized ( in other words , be CLEANSED ) everyone one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the FORGIVENESS of sins ( the forgiveness of the murder ) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit .

#10 , This form of BAPTISM is the forgiveness of the MURDER of Christ and has N0THING to do with Gentiles today .

Acts 2:38 is not the only passage that teaches baptism is for the remission of sins.

Does Acts 22:16 apply only to Saul? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins...

To whom does Colossians 2:11-13 apply?

Did all the pilgrims of the dispersion to whom 1 Peter is addressed participate in the crucifixion of Christ? Peter tells them that baptism saves them and is an appeal to God for a good conscience in 3:21.

As to McCulloch's assertion that the church of Christ is a denomination, it's just that - an assertion.

[oldkjv]

I dont know what your teaching my bible teaches theres neither Jew nor Greek.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Also acts 2:39 States that the promise is to everyone even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And if Jesus is done calling then we are all going to hell

[Benoni]

I dont know what your teaching my bible teaches theres neither Jew nor Greek.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Also acts 2:39 States that the promise is to everyone even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And if Jesus is done calling then we are all going to hell

First you say god is calling everyone; then you quote": "even as many as the Lord our God shall call"? So what is it?

[oldkjv]

My bad let me give you the verse

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

[Benoni]

My bad let me give you the verse

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

So God is not calling all people so why does he need to send them to hell if He never called them.
Here is another verse on the same subject.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in His own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." (I Cor. 15:22-23).

But this is how I ee it. There is no doubt concerning the totality of salvation for every man-- whatever was affected by death through Adam, shall be MADE ALIVE THROUGH CHRIST. The triumph of Christ is far greater than the sin of Adam. But the point that is before us is that of TIMING-- with "every man in his own order." There is DIVINE ORDER in this NEW CREATION that is being brought forth, as God gathers one by one a people unto Himself. From Calvary until this present time, God has been working in what is rightly termed "HIS FIRSTFRUITS." We who are living at the ending of this age ( note: which still could be a long ways away) are still being drawn into this "firstfruits order." But never forget, the firstfruits of a harvest are the PROMISE that all the rest of the harvest will follow in its time.

The whole thing reminds me of the verse which says, "Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." When? When every heart is made willing! There is no connotation or undertone here of God forcing these to just mouth words. Instead there is the implication that it is done in a heartfelt, even worshipful attitude. They have been made willing. Many eternalists like to say that this verse simply means that God will force these knees to bow and these tongues to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Now these are the same people who say that because man has a "free will" God will not force him to accept Jesus Christ. But here they have God forcing men to worship Him . . . to the glory of God? My opinion is god does force us, us being his firstfruit; but that is because he made us so carnal; so we have no freewill or choice.

[oldkjv]

I know God is calling all people I was making a point.
Who doesn't know that!!!!!!

[Benoni]

I know God is calling all people I was making a point.
Who doesn't know that!!!!!!

I guess you did not read the whole post?

[oldkjv]

Where in the bible does it say man does not have a free will.

[Benoni]

Where in the bible does it say man does not have a free will.

Man is a slave to sin, man is dead in trespasses and it is his nature to totally reject all things of God; man has no choice or freewill to choose his own salvation; this is a religious myth and not a scriptural fact; if anything the Bible teaches it is God who draws; it is Jesus that saves not mans carnal mind believing on by its own will.


The word freewill or choice are not found anywhere in the NT when it comes to someone freely choosing his own salvation. The word freewill is not even found in the Bible except for the Freewill Offering in the OT; which has nothing to do with salvation even as an example. God saves us by His grace, the and only then can carnal man have faith to believe in God and be saved. I also showed him that God caused the fall in Romans 8:20 which he totally rejected the content of the verse and replaced it with his bias opinion.



In John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) and I will add forces him: and I will raise him up at the last day. and John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me as you so wisely posted. The word draw is the Greek word from Strong’s 1670: helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):

There are eight examples in the NT that shows this word draw means force; Peter drew his sword is one example; the disciples drew their net; the net did not choose or have a freewill neither did the sword.

Notice Ephesians 2: 1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK ."Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast

Notice the order, God must quicken us be we are dead in sins; then He saves us by grace; then and only then do we have faith and I will add once this has happen we had no choice or freewill.

[oldkjv]

Where in the bible does it say man does not have a free will.

Man is a slave to sin, man is dead in trespasses and it is his nature to totally reject all things of God; man has no choice or freewill to choose his own salvation; this is a religious myth and not a scriptural fact; if anything the Bible teaches it is God who draws; it is Jesus that saves not mans carnal mind believing on by its own will.


The word freewill or choice are not found anywhere in the NT when it comes to someone freely choosing his own salvation. The word freewill is not even found in the Bible except for the Freewill Offering in the OT; which has nothing to do with salvation even as an example. God saves us by His grace, the and only then can carnal man have faith to believe in God and be saved. I also showed him that God caused the fall in Romans 8:20 which he totally rejected the content of the verse and replaced it with his bias opinion.



In John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) and I will add forces him: and I will raise him up at the last day. and John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me as you so wisely posted. The word draw is the Greek word from Strong’s 1670: helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):

There are eight examples in the NT that shows this word draw means force; Peter drew his sword is one example; the disciples drew their net; the net did not choose or have a freewill neither did the sword.

Notice Ephesians 2: 1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK ."Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast

Notice the order, God must quicken us be we are dead in sins; then He saves us by grace; then and only then do we have faith and I will add once this has happen we had no choice or freewill.

OK if its not a biblical fact then it really don't matter!