Why Acts 2:38 is NOT for us today ?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and since my youth , I have heard that we are to be Baptized for the remission of sins . Lets look at what Acts 2:38 really is saying .

#1 , What is the CONTEXT of Acts 2 ?

#2 , In verse 1 , it is a Jewish feast day .

#3 , Then verse 5 , says the context is all about Jews from Jersualem and from every Nation under heaven , scattered among the Roman empire .

#4 , And in verse 16 , they , the Jews should have known , from the Old Testament because it is written in the book of Joel 2:28-32 .

#5 , thyen in Acts 2:36 , Therefore , let all the house of Israel lnow assurely , that God hath made that same Jesus , whom you have CRUCIFIED both Jehovah and MESSIAH .

#6 , Peter is accusing ther house of Israel , of the murder of their MESSIAH .

#7 , The Jews were cut to the heart , and said , " Men and what shall we do ".

#8 , What shall we do about it , because we killed him and He is dead .

#9 , Peter says to them , " REPENT ( of the murder ) and be Baptized ( in other words , be CLEANSED ) everyone one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the FORGIVENESS of sins ( the forgiveness of the murder ) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit .

#10 , This form of BAPTISM is the forgiveness of the MURDER of Christ and has N0THING to do with Gentiles today .

[McCulloch]

Hi to all , and since my youth , I have heard that we are to be Baptized for the remission of sins .

The only group that I know that hammers on Acts 2:38 for everyone since their youth is the denomination that denies that they are a denomination the churches of Christ.

Most other Christians do not teach that baptism is a requirement for anyone to have their sins forgiven, whether the murder of a messiah or fooling around with your neighbor's wife.

This rather narrow application of baptism only to the first century Jews seems to be unique. Were the Jews who happened to be in Jerusalem that day, from far off places, also guilty of this murder? Were the people in Samaria (Acts 8) also guilty of this crime? Or Cornelius and the other gentiles in Acts 10? Or Lydia, from the city of Thyatira mentioned in Acts 16?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and since my youth , I have heard that we are to be Baptized for the remission of sins .

The only group that I know that hammers on Acts 2:38 for everyone since their youth is the denomination that denies that they are a denomination the churches of Christ.

Most other Christians do not teach that baptism is a requirement for anyone to have their sins forgiven, whether the murder of a messiah or fooling around with your neighbor's wife.

This rather narrow application of baptism only to the first century Jews seems to be unique. Were the Jews who happened to be in Jerusalem that day, from far off places, also guilty of this murder? Were the people in Samaria (Acts 8) also guilty of this crime? Or Cornelius and the other gentiles in Acts 10? Or Lydia, from the city of Thyatira mentioned in Acts 16?

Hi McCullah , I will let the context speak for itself in Acts 2:36 , Therefore , let ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL KNOW , AND THE CONTEXT IS ALL OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL .

[Slopeshoulder]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

[dan p]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

Hi Ss , the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:36 , blames the house of Israel , and that is the context .

[Slopeshoulder]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

Hi Ss , the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:36 , blames the house of Israel , and that is the context .

Who is the house of Israel?

What is the significance of the context?
Can you elaborate?

I don't know what you're referring to, but I wonder if it isn't blaming or baiting Jews? Can you clarify 1. your position and 2. your question for debate?
what point are you trying to make or debate?

[dan p]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

Hi Ss , the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:36 , blames the house of Israel , and that is the context .

Who is the house of Israel?

What is the significance of the context?
Can you elaborate?

I don't know what you're referring to, but I wonder if it isn't blaming or baiting Jews? Can you clarify 1. your position and 2. your question for debate?
what point are you trying to make or debate?

#1 , For one , it is talking to Jews ONLY !

#2 , The good news of the gospels is the promised Messiah .

#3 , I believe that they are to blame , but why call me a Jew baiter , because that is not my intent . Everyones sins put Christ on the cross .

#4 , Can you deny that they did not CRUCIFY Him ?

[Goat]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

I am not even sure of that. I do know that the accusations flew, but it seems that there was a lot of bitterness in the Christian community about not being allowed to worship in the synagogues.

There has been so much modifiction to the textx, and misquotes and quote mining of the Jewish scriptures by the writers to the gospels, it is hard to figure out the exact sequence of things.

[Slopeshoulder]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

I am not even sure of that. I do know that the accusations flew, but it seems that there was a lot of bitterness in the Christian community about not being allowed to worship in the synagogues.

There has been so much modifiction to the textx, and misquotes and quote mining of the Jewish scriptures by the writers to the gospels, it is hard to figure out the exact sequence of things.

Yes, very good points. Agreed.

[Slopeshoulder]

ias Acts really saying that all of the Jews were expected to have read or be familiar with the content of the a verse in the book of Joel? Does the argument rely upon this?

Does mainstream contemporary scholarship ever accuse the Jews of "murdering" a messiah, or Jesus? I pretty sure not. I thought he was killed by Rome with some collusion by the temple cult-keepers, the Sadducees.

Hi Ss , the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:36 , blames the house of Israel , and that is the context .

Who is the house of Israel?

What is the significance of the context?
Can you elaborate?

I don't know what you're referring to, but I wonder if it isn't blaming or baiting Jews? Can you clarify 1. your position and 2. your question for debate?
what point are you trying to make or debate?

#1 , For one , it is talking to Jews ONLY !

#2 , The good news of the gospels is the promised Messiah .

#3 , I believe that they are to blame , but why call me a Jew baiter , because that is not my intent . Everyones sins put Christ on the cross .

#4 , Can you deny that they did not CRUCIFY Him ?

1&2: thanks.

3. I didn't call you anything. I asked a question.

4. Do you mean to say can I deny that they DID crucify him? Yes, because it would appear that the consenus is that Rome did. (Can I ask, why is crucify capitalized?).

You haven't answered any of my main questions. So never mind. I have no interest in prolonging this debate. I have trouble discerning your meaning.