Many debates have been held concerning the divinity of jesus and who in reality Jesus was. Now the first logical thing one should is determine what did jesus say about himself? Who did jesus say he was? Did he claim to be God or not? Or did he claim something different? What I truly want to ask those who say and believe that jesus is God is if he ever said such a thing?
Of course this should be easy to find about someone so prominent in history. If he is God then he had to have claimed it somewhere because that would seem to be God's very nature.
So here is the debate, what did jesus say about himself? Did he say he was God or did others raise him to that status? Or did he simply say something different? I assume Jesus would know about himself better than others.
What did jesus say he about himself?
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What did jesus say he about himself?
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He said he was God. That was the reason the Jews hated him so much. And that poll question is gross misinterpretation of what he said. You need to read the whole chapter.
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In John chapter 8 verse 58 Jesus says "I tell you the truth... before Abraham was I am" That is the same word that God told Moses in Exodus chapter 3 verse 14 when God said "I am who i am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I am has sent me to you. That is why the Jews in John 8 picked up stones to stone him. The Jews also tried to kill him because "He claimed to be God"
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I think he is claiming to be God. That aside when John bowed before the angel in revelation and when the centurion bowed before Peter they said to worship God not them. Jesus however never said that he allowed people to bow before him. Also Jesus forgave the crippled mans sins. God alone can forgive sins.
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You already made that point. I know that is what you think. Please address the second part of my answer.
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Post #98muhammad rasullah wrote:Many debates have been held concerning the divinity of jesus and who in reality Jesus was. Now the first logical thing one should is determine what did jesus say about himself? Who did jesus say he was? Did he claim to be God or not? Or did he claim something different? What I truly want to ask those who say and believe that jesus is God is if he ever said such a thing?
Of course this should be easy to find about someone so prominent in history. If he is God then he had to have claimed it somewhere because that would seem to be God's very nature.
So here is the debate, what did jesus say about himself? Did he say he was God or did others raise him to that status? Or did he simply say something different? I assume Jesus would know about himself better than others.
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Jesus claimed equality with God. The Jews even said he did. Also who but God has the power to forgive sins. Who but God should accept worship. If Jesus wasn't God and he accepted worship (he did) then he was doing wrongly. Also only a sinless creature could atone for sin. If Jesus was not sinless he could not have brought salvation and if he did not bring salvation what is the point of him being here? Only God could be sinless.
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This statement shows a lack of understanding of how the Jewish faith deals with the concepts of forgiveness, sin and atonement. It is the Christian understanding, but that is not the way the Jewish faith understands those subjects.scottlittlefield17 wrote:Jesus claimed equality with God. The Jews even said he did. Also who but God has the power to forgive sins. Who but God should accept worship. If Jesus wasn't God and he accepted worship (he did) then he was doing wrongly. Also only a sinless creature could atone for sin. If Jesus was not sinless he could not have brought salvation and if he did not bring salvation what is the point of him being here? Only God could be sinless.
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