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Vanguard wrote:I've struggled with this for some time now. I have made commentary on different threads about my beliefs and recognize that they divurge from the more common, accepted Christian stance (and perhaps from that of my own LDS faith) about how salvation is gained.
Paul2 wrote:tlong,
It doesn't say saved Israel. They were added to the ecclesia in Jerusalem made up of the saved in Israel. They were Jews and proselytes who kept the law of Moses and who looked for salvation into God's kingdom on earth.You wrote:Where does it say they were added to saved Isreal? Are we not talking about being added to the kingdom which in fact is the Church?
Today, we don't approach God through the nation of Israel. We don't look for salvation into life in the terrestrial domain like Peter did. We will live mostly in the celestial domain. The kingdom of God will exist in both of these domains as one kingdom.
You wrote:Matthew 3:2
" Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
The kingdom of heaven on earth was near and would have come about, if Israel had complied with God's instruction to hear his son, Jesus. Israel did not comply and consequently they were ejected from the Land.
This occurred when some of Jesus' disciples saw a vision of the future when they were with Jesus on a mountain. The account of this immediately follows the reference you gave.You wrote:Matthew 16:28
"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
The Samaritans were baptized during the period in which the gospel of the kingdom (terrestrial) was still being preached.You wrote:Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike[ when the kingdom was preached]
God's kingdom is wherever the authority of his son is recognised. Eventually Jesus' authority will be universally established when all God's enemies are reconciled to Him through the blood of the cross of Christ. (Col 1:20)You wrote:The kingdom has come and if it is not his church, then what is it?
Paul
In order to debate a topic, then you are required by the forum rules to back up your opinion with some sort of proof. In this forum the bible is considered authoritative and can be used for proof. So, unless you have something to back up what you say, then you have not followed the rules of this forum. Therefore, please back up what you have said with something; IE scripture.tyga wrote:Scripture? Why on Earth would I require scripture?
Do I need scripture to confirm that I sit here now, typing messages on a computer? Do I need scripture to tell me that I live, that I breath, that I am consciously aware of my own existence?
No, all of these things are self evident, as is the kingdom of heaven.
Open your eyes.
I would thought that the passages he is referring to is quite obvious. I mean,tlong wrote:In order to debate a topic, then you are required by the forum rules to back up your opinion with some sort of proof. In this forum the bible is considered authoritative and can be used for proof. So, unless you have something to back up what you say, then you have not followed the rules of this forum. Therefore, please back up what you have said with something; IE scripture.tyga wrote:Scripture? Why on Earth would I require scripture?
Do I need scripture to confirm that I sit here now, typing messages on a computer? Do I need scripture to tell me that I live, that I breath, that I am consciously aware of my own existence?
No, all of these things are self evident, as is the kingdom of heaven.
Open your eyes.
LUKEgoat wrote:I would thought that the passages he is referring to is quite obvious. I mean,tlong wrote:In order to debate a topic, then you are required by the forum rules to back up your opinion with some sort of proof. In this forum the bible is considered authoritative and can be used for proof. So, unless you have something to back up what you say, then you have not followed the rules of this forum. Therefore, please back up what you have said with something; IE scripture.tyga wrote:Scripture? Why on Earth would I require scripture?
Do I need scripture to confirm that I sit here now, typing messages on a computer? Do I need scripture to tell me that I live, that I breath, that I am consciously aware of my own existence?
No, all of these things are self evident, as is the kingdom of heaven.
Open your eyes.
Luke 17:20
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
Col.goat wrote:I would thought that the passages he is referring to is quite obvious. I mean,tlong wrote:In order to debate a topic, then you are required by the forum rules to back up your opinion with some sort of proof. In this forum the bible is considered authoritative and can be used for proof. So, unless you have something to back up what you say, then you have not followed the rules of this forum. Therefore, please back up what you have said with something; IE scripture.tyga wrote:Scripture? Why on Earth would I require scripture?
Do I need scripture to confirm that I sit here now, typing messages on a computer? Do I need scripture to tell me that I live, that I breath, that I am consciously aware of my own existence?
No, all of these things are self evident, as is the kingdom of heaven.
Open your eyes.
Luke 17:20
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
Yet, that does not counter Luke 17:20, or even have anything to do with it.tlong wrote:Col.goat wrote:I would thought that the passages he is referring to is quite obvious. I mean,tlong wrote:In order to debate a topic, then you are required by the forum rules to back up your opinion with some sort of proof. In this forum the bible is considered authoritative and can be used for proof. So, unless you have something to back up what you say, then you have not followed the rules of this forum. Therefore, please back up what you have said with something; IE scripture.tyga wrote:Scripture? Why on Earth would I require scripture?
Do I need scripture to confirm that I sit here now, typing messages on a computer? Do I need scripture to tell me that I live, that I breath, that I am consciously aware of my own existence?
No, all of these things are self evident, as is the kingdom of heaven.
Open your eyes.
Luke 17:20
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Notice the word if in verse 23. That means it is conditional. The conditions are listed in the rest of the verse. We are not just gonna be reconsiled. We have to do our part.
All will be saved:You wrote:You have some good opinions, but have backed none of it up with scripture. None of our opinions matter, only what we have been told through the word.Please back up your opinion with scripture.
You wrote:Col.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Notice the word if in verse 23. That means it is conditional. The conditions are listed in the rest of the verse. We are not just gonna be reconsiled. We have to do our part.
Oh but I wasn't debating, I was only offering up my opinions for consideration.tlong wrote:In order to debate a topic, then you are required by the forum rules to back up your opinion with some sort of proof. In this forum the bible is considered authoritative and can be used for proof. So, unless you have something to back up what you say, then you have not followed the rules of this forum. Therefore, please back up what you have said with something; IE scripture.tyga wrote:Scripture? Why on Earth would I require scripture?
Do I need scripture to confirm that I sit here now, typing messages on a computer? Do I need scripture to tell me that I live, that I breath, that I am consciously aware of my own existence?
No, all of these things are self evident, as is the kingdom of heaven.
Open your eyes.
That my good Sir, is an opinion. Would you mind backing it with scripture?None of our opinions matter, only what we have been told through the word.Please back up your opinion with scripture.
