By now you've probably seen the clip in which the POTUS had a crowd raise their right hands and pledge to cheat when voting in the midterms, accusing his party's opposition of doing the same with no evidence.
How can anyone who claims to be Christian be comfortable with that?
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Post #31[Replying to Athetotheist in post #1]
There's lots of room for the meaning of the word "Christian".
As an outsider to Christianity, I don't try to decide who is a true Christian or not.
It would be an appeal to an authority that I just don't have.
I think the closest we have to an actual Christian authority is the pope, and he doesn't speak for every Christian on the planet.
Your question reminds me of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Im wondering by what standards we are to use in order judge if someone is a Christian or not?
I think that trump has claimed to be a Christian.By now you've probably seen the clip in which the POTUS had a crowd raise their right hands and pledge to cheat when voting in the midterms, accusing his party's opposition of doing the same with no evidence.
How can anyone who claims to be Christian be comfortable with that?
"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."
(Ephesians 5:11)
There's lots of room for the meaning of the word "Christian".
As an outsider to Christianity, I don't try to decide who is a true Christian or not.
It would be an appeal to an authority that I just don't have.
I think the closest we have to an actual Christian authority is the pope, and he doesn't speak for every Christian on the planet.
Your question reminds me of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Im wondering by what standards we are to use in order judge if someone is a Christian or not?
I study religiously motivated reasoning. I'm an agnostic atheist and I don't believe in the supernatural or superstitions. I genuinely want to engage your ideas charitably and respectfully. I value critical thinking, empathy, intellectual honesty, and civil disagreement. I am committed to understanding each other’s arguments, remaining open to correction, and discussing arguments rather than attack each other.
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Post #32[Replying to Mr E in post #6]
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Like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death is one who deceives his neighbor and says, "I was only joking."You know he was mocking you, right? Provoking. On time, on target it seems.
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Post #33What confused me was when you said this, as if there are not other ways. Especially since I had already brought up free passport services as an idea for you to consider:Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2026 1:59 pm That isn't my insistence. But if that's supposed to be one way to do it, she shouldn't be hung up by her name.
"If you can come up with a way for a married woman who's eligible to vote to have her maiden name on her birth certificate and still vote, I'm sure you'll be willing to share it."
Now I'm really confused. Are you now suggesting that there is no need to verify citizenship? If not, then how do you think we should verify citizenship for voting purposes?Sure, if it were necessary, but our elections have always been highly secure.
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Post #34Do you acknowledge that you were mocked/baited? That he 'got you' so to speak, or are you disputing this?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2026 5:24 pm [Replying to Mr E in post #6]
Like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death is one who deceives his neighbor and says, "I was only joking."You know he was mocking you, right? Provoking. On time, on target it seems.
(Proverbs 26:18-19)
It's hard to tell because you only provided a scripture verse and I fear you have done so in order to ignore the claim that you were 'played'.
I acknowledge that you compare Trump to a maniac shooting arrows of death at his neighbors and don't find this interesting. You do you though.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
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Post #35[Replying to Clownboat in post #34]
If I don't acknowledge such, what am I to think? That he was serious?Do you acknowledge that you were mocked/baited? That he 'got you' so to speak, or are you disputing this?
Hey, I didn't write Proverbs.I acknowledge that you compare Trump to a maniac shooting arrows of death at his neighbors and don't find this interesting.
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Post #36One questions at a time. Do you acknowledge that you were mocked/baited? That he 'got you' so to speak, or are you disputing this?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2026 11:29 am If I don't acknowledge such, what am I to think? That he was serious?
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
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Post #37[Replying to Clownboat in post #36]
If he did "get" me then the joke ended up being on him last Tuesday, didn't it?One questions at a time. Do you acknowledge that you were mocked/baited? That he 'got you' so to speak, or are you disputing this?
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