Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity Part 1

[SiNcE_1985]

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No excuses, Jesus is God.

We are gonna deal with these Trinity-Proof texts, one by one....using Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) own New World's Translation, while I use the New King James Version (NKJV)...and we are gonna expose their faulty NWT, as needed.

For this thread, we will examine the following three books and verses..

Isa 40:3 – Mark 1:1-8 – Malachi 3:1

Lets begin with Isa 40:3..

Isa 40:3
NKJV Isa 40:3 ”The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.
NWT Isa 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.

Now, as you can see, in comparison, both the NKJV and the NWT reads the same.

It is commanded that a clear path is made for God (Lord, Jehovah), because he is coming through!!

Ok, now, lets look at Malachi 3:1..

NKJV Mal 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.

NWT Mal 3:1  “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.

Virtually the same message, the Lord is coming...and the path is being cleared for him.

The significance? This is a prophecy of the coming of Jesus....and this messenger who clears the path for him, is John the Baptist.

How do we know?

Because, in Mark 1:1-8...

1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 As it is written in [a]the Prophets:

“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
3 “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”

4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 7 And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. 8 I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

The implication is simple, Jesus is God.

Even in JW's own NWT Bible, it is said that the path (Isa 40:3) is being made clear for Jehovah/God.

The author of Mark connects the subject of the cleared path in the book of Isaiah (who is identified as Jehovah/God), to the subject of the path in his own book (who is identified as Jesus).

This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.

[face2face]

To begin with you don't believe Jesus is a man.

Strawman argument.

You don't worship the same God Abraham worshipped and he was the friend of God!

I believe you know what it means by "Abrahamic Faith". That's what we are. We worship the true God, that the Father said who had that eternal life. (1John 5:11,20)

You can't come to an understanding of God while you believe in Hypostasis and the Triune Creed.

You cannot even prove that "Jesus is not God".

he (Jesus) entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. Hebrews 9:12

Why did Jesus require redemption?

Provide a verse in your answer.... F2F

Our redemption, that we will be reconciled to the Father, and hope for eternal life in faith.
(John 3:16, 1Pet 3:18, Romans 5:18)

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Rom 5:18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.

You didn’t actually answer the question.

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Do you think a God need to be redeemed? Show me a Bible verse that says that.
It is us that need to be redeemed through Jesus blood shed on Calvary, to forgive our trespasses and hope of eternal life in faith.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace.

In the days of his (Jesus) flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him (God) who was able to save him (Jesus) from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

I'll ask you again!

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

[Capbook]

To begin with you don't believe Jesus is a man.

Strawman argument.

You don't worship the same God Abraham worshipped and he was the friend of God!

I believe you know what it means by "Abrahamic Faith". That's what we are. We worship the true God, that the Father said who had that eternal life. (1John 5:11,20)

You can't come to an understanding of God while you believe in Hypostasis and the Triune Creed.

You cannot even prove that "Jesus is not God".

he (Jesus) entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. Hebrews 9:12

Why did Jesus require redemption?

Provide a verse in your answer.... F2F

Our redemption, that we will be reconciled to the Father, and hope for eternal life in faith.
(John 3:16, 1Pet 3:18, Romans 5:18)

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Rom 5:18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.

You didn’t actually answer the question.

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Do you think a God need to be redeemed? Show me a Bible verse that says that.
It is us that need to be redeemed through Jesus blood shed on Calvary, to forgive our trespasses and hope of eternal life in faith.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace.

In the days of his (Jesus) flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him (God) who was able to save him (Jesus) from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

I'll ask you again!

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Is that how you interpret the verse?
Haven't you consulted what "redeem", in Greek "lutroo" means by Bible lexicon? I believe you just misuse the term.
What will be the ransom to be paid when the cup was passed from Jesus' prayers and supplications to save His life?

NT:3084 lutrooo, lutroo:
1. to release on receipt of ransom:
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

[servant1]

[Replying to face2face in post #156]

Yahweh or Yehovah--Is Hebrew, they aren't 100% sure which it is. No vowels were written in the Hebrew language-thus-YHWH or YHVH is in their OT. Most use YHWH( tetragramoton) but still are not 100% sure.

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #157]


The Hebrews are not 100% sure if that translates-YHWH or YHVH.

[face2face]

Strawman argument.
I believe you know what it means by "Abrahamic Faith". That's what we are. We worship the true God, that the Father said who had that eternal life. (1John 5:11,20)
You cannot even prove that "Jesus is not God".

Our redemption, that we will be reconciled to the Father, and hope for eternal life in faith.
(John 3:16, 1Pet 3:18, Romans 5:18)

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Rom 5:18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.

You didn’t actually answer the question.

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Do you think a God need to be redeemed? Show me a Bible verse that says that.
It is us that need to be redeemed through Jesus blood shed on Calvary, to forgive our trespasses and hope of eternal life in faith.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace.

In the days of his (Jesus) flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him (God) who was able to save him (Jesus) from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

I'll ask you again!

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Is that how you interpret the verse?
Haven't you consulted what "redeem", in Greek "lutroo" means by Bible lexicon? I believe you just misuse the term.
What will be the ransom to be paid when the cup was passed from Jesus' prayers and supplications to save His life?

NT:3084 lutrooo, lutroo:
1. to release on receipt of ransom:
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

To save his life from what?

[face2face]

[Replying to face2face in post #156]

Yahweh or Yehovah--Is Hebrew, they aren't 100% sure which it is. No vowels were written in the Hebrew language-thus-YHWH or YHVH is in their OT. Most use YHWH( tetragramoton) but still are not 100% sure.

I believe the key point is that "Yahweh" is more accurate than "Jehovah." While many Reformation-era works used the name Jehovah, more recent linguistic and textual analysis has shown that Yahweh aligns more closely with the original Hebrew. As you mentioned, it's generally accepted today as the more accurate rendering.

F2F

[servant1]

[Replying to face2face in post #166]


Jehovah is the true living God.

[face2face]

[Replying to face2face in post #166]


Jehovah is the true living God.

To me He is Yahweh but if you feel more comfortable calling Him Jehovah I'm sure He won't mind!

There is only One!

F2F

[Capbook]

You didn’t actually answer the question.

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Do you think a God need to be redeemed? Show me a Bible verse that says that.
It is us that need to be redeemed through Jesus blood shed on Calvary, to forgive our trespasses and hope of eternal life in faith.

Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace.

In the days of his (Jesus) flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him (God) who was able to save him (Jesus) from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

I'll ask you again!

What, exactly, did Jesus need to be redeemed from?

F2F

Is that how you interpret the verse?
Haven't you consulted what "redeem", in Greek "lutroo" means by Bible lexicon? I believe you just misuse the term.
What will be the ransom to be paid when the cup was passed from Jesus' prayers and supplications to save His life?

NT:3084 lutrooo, lutroo:
1. to release on receipt of ransom:
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

To save his life from what?

You accept now that you misused the term "redeem"? Next don't misuse terms, it would be proper for us to consult Bible lexicons once in a while.
To save Jesus' life from the separation of the Father's protection.

[Capbook]

[Replying to face2face in post #166]


Jehovah is the true living God.

To me He is Yahweh but if you feel more comfortable calling Him Jehovah I'm sure He won't mind!

There is only One!

F2F

Aren't you a JW?
What is "J" refers to?