This is a direct challenge, verse by verse of the N.W.T., and the King James Bible. I am not going to give an opinion. You can compare and decide which Bible is true to the word. I will be using an 1824 and 2015 King James Bibles. As for the N.W.T., I have the 1971, 1984, and 2013 editions. Their first copyright came out in 1961. Before 1961 the Witnesses used a K.J.B.
Okay, let’s get started.
We should all agree on this. The original language of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and a few verses were written in Chaldean. The New Testament was originally penned in Greek.
The foundation source for the K.J.B. is the Textus Receptus or Received Text. The translation of the text of all ancient known Papyrus Fragments, Uncials, Cursives, and Lectionaries, collectively are known as the "Receptus Textus" and the "Masoretic text." Their number, 5,500 copies, plus 86,000 quotations or allusions to the Scriptures by early Church Fathers. There are another 45 document sources for the N.W.T., although they list 94 in the 1984 edition. The N.W.T. two main sources are the "B" Vatican manuscripts 1209, and the A. or, "Aleph Sinaiticus."
Let’s begin with Philippians 2:8-9-10-11.
Verse 8 in K.J.B. ends with “death of the cross.”
Verse 8, N.W.T. ends with, “death on a torture stake.”
Verse 9 in the N.W.T. ends with a comma “,”.
Verse 9 in the K.J.B. ends with a colon: I hope you understand the difference between the two. The N.W.T. is the only Bible that ends verse 9 with a comma.
Also, note as you read these verses, they have added the word (other) and put it in brackets in the 1984 edition, but removed the brackets in the 1971 or 2013 editions, making it part of the verse. Adding the word (other) gives a reader the impression that the name of Jesus is second to the name Jehovah. In their Interlinear translation, their Greek reads, “over every name.”
Also, "(at) the name of Jesus" has been changed to "(in) the name of Jesus.
"Bow a knee" has been changed to "bend," and "confess" has been changed to "acknowledge."
Bend is not a New Testament word. In the O.T. it is used strictly for “bending or stringing a bow.” To bow a knee is to pay homage or worship. Compare with Romans 14:11, As I live, said the LORD, every knee shall bow to me,” Same word in Philippians.
In English, "bend," means to change shape, or change someone's will, to yield or submit. To yield or submit is not to worship. This change of words chips away at the glory of the Lord Jesus.
Compare verses below:
K.J.B.
Philippians 2: 9-10-11, "God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth and things under the earth; (semi colon) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Your comments on the above.
Comparing K.J.B. with N.W.T.
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Re: Comparing K.J.B. with N.W.T.
Post #171Other versions say the same thing.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:52 amI mean in wordings they are not the same, in NWT I guess we cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:54 pmThey mean the same. Tell me why they are not meaning the same, if you think thus. Both end with "to the glory of God the Father." That's what it is all about.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:21 amThere, I borrowed Placebofactor's resource, I bolded some, and good that "earth" was changed to ground not "human society."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:22 amWell, get yourself a copy of the NWT then. Then you can see for yourself what it says. And if you denigrate it, please read it before you do so.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:11 amIt is just I don't have a resource that have NWT.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:42 amYou didn't say just how the NWT is different.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:55 amAs presented NWT also rendered Phil 2:10-11 differently with NASBuv below.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:43 pmI have also been comparing Scripture with Scripture. Sad that you haven't noticed, and its almost humourous that you don't know of the Bible versions that I quote from. They are versions that I have found on my own, not because the JW organization has made me aware of them. (And please don't make accusations if you have not verified your stances.)placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:30 pmBull! the only proof Jehovah's Witnesses have is the most corrupt Bible on the market, the N.W.T., the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, your monthly Watchtower monthly, a few obscure Bibles I never heard of, and a slew of translators who have never reveal their names, their education or credentials concerning translating either the Hebrew or Greek. I call them the Watchtower "So and so's, the invisible ones." And they want people to follow these unknowns. You can, smart people won't. Nobody knows who they are, my guess is, they may not even exist. If they do, their Taze Russel and Rutherford.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:38 am
Not at all. JWs here have presented scriptural proof as to what we have been saying. Others here have not, as in "God the Son" being scriptural. It is not. That statement by you is not proof.
At least the K.J.B. has a history and proof positive of who the 48 translators were, and the other 10 or 12 who proofed their work, plus 400 years of history, and tens of thousands of theologians who have scrutinized the K.J.B. over the past 400 years. That's my evidence.
My proof is in the threads I have been posting comparing scripture with scripture.
Phil 2:10-11
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
I know that is your preferred translations, I suppose you can see the difference.
There's really big differences with paraphrase translations compare to word for word that tried to maintain the accuracy of Bible words in original languages.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:9-11
9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
You say that you "guess" you cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek. Show what you mean by that.
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Re: Comparing K.J.B. with N.W.T.
Post #172Greek words not found in NWT, in italics; Therefore greatly exalted Him, granted, at the name of Jesusonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:56 pmOther versions say the same thing.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:52 amI mean in wordings they are not the same, in NWT I guess we cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:54 pmThey mean the same. Tell me why they are not meaning the same, if you think thus. Both end with "to the glory of God the Father." That's what it is all about.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:21 amThere, I borrowed Placebofactor's resource, I bolded some, and good that "earth" was changed to ground not "human society."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:22 amWell, get yourself a copy of the NWT then. Then you can see for yourself what it says. And if you denigrate it, please read it before you do so.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:11 amIt is just I don't have a resource that have NWT.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:42 amYou didn't say just how the NWT is different.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:55 amAs presented NWT also rendered Phil 2:10-11 differently with NASBuv below.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:43 pmI have also been comparing Scripture with Scripture. Sad that you haven't noticed, and its almost humourous that you don't know of the Bible versions that I quote from. They are versions that I have found on my own, not because the JW organization has made me aware of them. (And please don't make accusations if you have not verified your stances.)placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:30 pm
Bull! the only proof Jehovah's Witnesses have is the most corrupt Bible on the market, the N.W.T., the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, your monthly Watchtower monthly, a few obscure Bibles I never heard of, and a slew of translators who have never reveal their names, their education or credentials concerning translating either the Hebrew or Greek. I call them the Watchtower "So and so's, the invisible ones." And they want people to follow these unknowns. You can, smart people won't. Nobody knows who they are, my guess is, they may not even exist. If they do, their Taze Russel and Rutherford.
At least the K.J.B. has a history and proof positive of who the 48 translators were, and the other 10 or 12 who proofed their work, plus 400 years of history, and tens of thousands of theologians who have scrutinized the K.J.B. over the past 400 years. That's my evidence.
My proof is in the threads I have been posting comparing scripture with scripture.
Phil 2:10-11
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
I know that is your preferred translations, I suppose you can see the difference.
There's really big differences with paraphrase translations compare to word for word that tried to maintain the accuracy of Bible words in original languages.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:9-11
9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
You say that you "guess" you cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek. Show what you mean by that.
And NWT add/used other terms instead, in italics; For this reason, superior position, kindly, in the name, openly acknowledged.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:9 Therefore also God greatly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend heavenly, and earthly, and underground;
Php 2:11 and every tongue should acknowledge that is Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the father.
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Php 2:10 that G2443 at G1722 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G* every G3956 knee G1119 should bend -- G2578 heavenly, G2032 and G2532 earthly, G1919 and G2532 underground; G2709
Php 2:11 and G2532 every G3956 tongue G1100 should acknowledge G1843 that G3754 [3 is Lord G2962 1Jesus G* 2Christ] G5547 to G1519 the glory G1391 of God G2316 the father. G3962
Php 2:9 διο G1352 και G2532 ο G3588 θεος G2316 αυτον υπερυψωσε G1473 G5251 και G2532 εχαρισατο G5483 αυτω G1473 ονομα G3686 το G3588 υπερ G5228 παν G3956 ονομα G3686
Php 2:10 ινα G2443 εν G1722 τω G3588 ονοματι G3686 Ιησου G* παν G3956 γονυ G1119 καμψη G2578 επουρανιων G2032 και G2532 επιγειων G1919 και G2532 καταχθονιων G2709
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Re: Comparing K.J.B. with N.W.T.
Post #173How does this denigrate the NWT? Isn't the meaning just the same as your versions? If not, please explain why the NWT doesn't mean the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 amGreek words not found in NWT, in italics; Therefore greatly exalted Him, granted, at the name of Jesusonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:56 pmOther versions say the same thing.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:52 amI mean in wordings they are not the same, in NWT I guess we cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:54 pmThey mean the same. Tell me why they are not meaning the same, if you think thus. Both end with "to the glory of God the Father." That's what it is all about.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:21 amThere, I borrowed Placebofactor's resource, I bolded some, and good that "earth" was changed to ground not "human society."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:22 amWell, get yourself a copy of the NWT then. Then you can see for yourself what it says. And if you denigrate it, please read it before you do so.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:11 amIt is just I don't have a resource that have NWT.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:42 amYou didn't say just how the NWT is different.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:55 amAs presented NWT also rendered Phil 2:10-11 differently with NASBuv below.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:43 pm
I have also been comparing Scripture with Scripture. Sad that you haven't noticed, and its almost humourous that you don't know of the Bible versions that I quote from. They are versions that I have found on my own, not because the JW organization has made me aware of them. (And please don't make accusations if you have not verified your stances.)
Phil 2:10-11
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
I know that is your preferred translations, I suppose you can see the difference.
There's really big differences with paraphrase translations compare to word for word that tried to maintain the accuracy of Bible words in original languages.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:9-11
9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
You say that you "guess" you cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek. Show what you mean by that.
And NWT add/used other terms instead, in italics; For this reason, superior position, kindly, in the name, openly acknowledged.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:9 Therefore also God greatly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend heavenly, and earthly, and underground;
Php 2:11 and every tongue should acknowledge that is Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the father.
Php 2:9 Therefore G1352 also G2532 G3588 God G2316 greatly exalted him, G1473 G5251 and G2532 granted G5483 to him G1473 the name G3686 G3588 above G5228 every G3956 name, G3686
Php 2:10 that G2443 at G1722 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G* every G3956 knee G1119 should bend -- G2578 heavenly, G2032 and G2532 earthly, G1919 and G2532 underground; G2709
Php 2:11 and G2532 every G3956 tongue G1100 should acknowledge G1843 that G3754 [3 is Lord G2962 1Jesus G* 2Christ] G5547 to G1519 the glory G1391 of God G2316 the father. G3962
Php 2:9 διο G1352 και G2532 ο G3588 θεος G2316 αυτον υπερυψωσε G1473 G5251 και G2532 εχαρισατο G5483 αυτω G1473 ονομα G3686 το G3588 υπερ G5228 παν G3956 ονομα G3686
Php 2:10 ινα G2443 εν G1722 τω G3588 ονοματι G3686 Ιησου G* παν G3956 γονυ G1119 καμψη G2578 επουρανιων G2032 και G2532 επιγειων G1919 και G2532 καταχθονιων G2709
Php 2:11 και G2532 πασα G3956 γλωσσα G1100 εξομολογησηται G1843 οτι G3754 κυριος G2962 Ιησους G* χριστος G5547 εις G1519 δοξαν G1391 θεου G2316 πατρος G3962
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Post #174They are not the same, NWT is a paraphrase translations, in a thought for thought translations some words being used are non-existent in the original languages. It does not have Strong Concordance and corresponding lexicons that gives meanings of words at the time it was used. Usually you quote Bible texts from same paraphrased Bibles, that might misled us and we might be prone to eisegesis. It might obstruct us to experience eternal life not knowing who Jesus really is. (John 17:3)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:10 pmHow does this denigrate the NWT? Isn't the meaning just the same as your versions? If not, please explain why the NWT doesn't mean the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 amGreek words not found in NWT, in italics; Therefore greatly exalted Him, granted, at the name of Jesusonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:56 pmOther versions say the same thing.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:52 amI mean in wordings they are not the same, in NWT I guess we cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:54 pmThey mean the same. Tell me why they are not meaning the same, if you think thus. Both end with "to the glory of God the Father." That's what it is all about.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:21 amThere, I borrowed Placebofactor's resource, I bolded some, and good that "earth" was changed to ground not "human society."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:22 amWell, get yourself a copy of the NWT then. Then you can see for yourself what it says. And if you denigrate it, please read it before you do so.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:11 amIt is just I don't have a resource that have NWT.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:42 amYou didn't say just how the NWT is different.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:55 am
As presented NWT also rendered Phil 2:10-11 differently with NASBuv below.
Phil 2:10-11
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
I know that is your preferred translations, I suppose you can see the difference.
There's really big differences with paraphrase translations compare to word for word that tried to maintain the accuracy of Bible words in original languages.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:9-11
9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(NASB Updated Version)
You say that you "guess" you cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek. Show what you mean by that.
And NWT add/used other terms instead, in italics; For this reason, superior position, kindly, in the name, openly acknowledged.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:9 Therefore also God greatly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend heavenly, and earthly, and underground;
Php 2:11 and every tongue should acknowledge that is Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the father.
Php 2:9 Therefore G1352 also G2532 G3588 God G2316 greatly exalted him, G1473 G5251 and G2532 granted G5483 to him G1473 the name G3686 G3588 above G5228 every G3956 name, G3686
Php 2:10 that G2443 at G1722 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G* every G3956 knee G1119 should bend -- G2578 heavenly, G2032 and G2532 earthly, G1919 and G2532 underground; G2709
Php 2:11 and G2532 every G3956 tongue G1100 should acknowledge G1843 that G3754 [3 is Lord G2962 1Jesus G* 2Christ] G5547 to G1519 the glory G1391 of God G2316 the father. G3962
Php 2:9 διο G1352 και G2532 ο G3588 θεος G2316 αυτον υπερυψωσε G1473 G5251 και G2532 εχαρισατο G5483 αυτω G1473 ονομα G3686 το G3588 υπερ G5228 παν G3956 ονομα G3686
Php 2:10 ινα G2443 εν G1722 τω G3588 ονοματι G3686 Ιησου G* παν G3956 γονυ G1119 καμψη G2578 επουρανιων G2032 και G2532 επιγειων G1919 και G2532 καταχθονιων G2709
Php 2:11 και G2532 πασα G3956 γλωσσα G1100 εξομολογησηται G1843 οτι G3754 κυριος G2962 Ιησους G* χριστος G5547 εις G1519 δοξαν G1391 θεου G2316 πατρος G3962
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Post #175John 17:3 tells us, by Jesus, that the Father is the only true God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:49 amThey are not the same, NWT is a paraphrase translations, in a thought for thought translations some words being used are non-existent in the original languages. It does not have Strong Concordance and corresponding lexicons that gives meanings of words at the time it was used. Usually you quote Bible texts from same paraphrased Bibles, that might misled us and we might be prone to eisegesis. It might obstruct us to experience eternal life not knowing who Jesus really is. (John 17:3)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:10 pmHow does this denigrate the NWT? Isn't the meaning just the same as your versions? If not, please explain why the NWT doesn't mean the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 amGreek words not found in NWT, in italics; Therefore greatly exalted Him, granted, at the name of Jesusonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:56 pmOther versions say the same thing.
You say that you "guess" you cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek. Show what you mean by that.
And NWT add/used other terms instead, in italics; For this reason, superior position, kindly, in the name, openly acknowledged.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:9 Therefore also God greatly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend heavenly, and earthly, and underground;
Php 2:11 and every tongue should acknowledge that is Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the father.
Php 2:9 Therefore G1352 also G2532 G3588 God G2316 greatly exalted him, G1473 G5251 and G2532 granted G5483 to him G1473 the name G3686 G3588 above G5228 every G3956 name, G3686
Php 2:10 that G2443 at G1722 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G* every G3956 knee G1119 should bend -- G2578 heavenly, G2032 and G2532 earthly, G1919 and G2532 underground; G2709
Php 2:11 and G2532 every G3956 tongue G1100 should acknowledge G1843 that G3754 [3 is Lord G2962 1Jesus G* 2Christ] G5547 to G1519 the glory G1391 of God G2316 the father. G3962
Php 2:9 διο G1352 και G2532 ο G3588 θεος G2316 αυτον υπερυψωσε G1473 G5251 και G2532 εχαρισατο G5483 αυτω G1473 ονομα G3686 το G3588 υπερ G5228 παν G3956 ονομα G3686
Php 2:10 ινα G2443 εν G1722 τω G3588 ονοματι G3686 Ιησου G* παν G3956 γονυ G1119 καμψη G2578 επουρανιων G2032 και G2532 επιγειων G1919 και G2532 καταχθονιων G2709
Php 2:11 και G2532 πασα G3956 γλωσσα G1100 εξομολογησηται G1843 οτι G3754 κυριος G2962 Ιησους G* χριστος G5547 εις G1519 δοξαν G1391 θεου G2316 πατρος G3962
I use many different Bible versions, some that you have referred to. You didn't answer how other versions render the NWT's meaningless. How are the meanings different?
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Post #176Just reread my response above I colored blue. Try also reread John 17:3, what really did Jesus prayed. That is what? ______life,? to know who? One or two?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 12:05 pmJohn 17:3 tells us, by Jesus, that the Father is the only true God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:49 amThey are not the same, NWT is a paraphrase translations, in a thought for thought translations some words being used are non-existent in the original languages. It does not have Strong Concordance and corresponding lexicons that gives meanings of words at the time it was used. Usually you quote Bible texts from same paraphrased Bibles, that might misled us and we might be prone to eisegesis. It might obstruct us to experience eternal life not knowing who Jesus really is. (John 17:3)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:10 pmHow does this denigrate the NWT? Isn't the meaning just the same as your versions? If not, please explain why the NWT doesn't mean the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 amGreek words not found in NWT, in italics; Therefore greatly exalted Him, granted, at the name of Jesusonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:56 pm
Other versions say the same thing.
You say that you "guess" you cannot find corresponding original Bible words in Greek. Show what you mean by that.
And NWT add/used other terms instead, in italics; For this reason, superior position, kindly, in the name, openly acknowledged.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:9 Therefore also God greatly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend heavenly, and earthly, and underground;
Php 2:11 and every tongue should acknowledge that is Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the father.
Php 2:9 Therefore G1352 also G2532 G3588 God G2316 greatly exalted him, G1473 G5251 and G2532 granted G5483 to him G1473 the name G3686 G3588 above G5228 every G3956 name, G3686
Php 2:10 that G2443 at G1722 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G* every G3956 knee G1119 should bend -- G2578 heavenly, G2032 and G2532 earthly, G1919 and G2532 underground; G2709
Php 2:11 and G2532 every G3956 tongue G1100 should acknowledge G1843 that G3754 [3 is Lord G2962 1Jesus G* 2Christ] G5547 to G1519 the glory G1391 of God G2316 the father. G3962
Php 2:9 διο G1352 και G2532 ο G3588 θεος G2316 αυτον υπερυψωσε G1473 G5251 και G2532 εχαρισατο G5483 αυτω G1473 ονομα G3686 το G3588 υπερ G5228 παν G3956 ονομα G3686
Php 2:10 ινα G2443 εν G1722 τω G3588 ονοματι G3686 Ιησου G* παν G3956 γονυ G1119 καμψη G2578 επουρανιων G2032 και G2532 επιγειων G1919 και G2532 καταχθονιων G2709
Php 2:11 και G2532 πασα G3956 γλωσσα G1100 εξομολογησηται G1843 οτι G3754 κυριος G2962 Ιησους G* χριστος G5547 εις G1519 δοξαν G1391 θεου G2316 πατρος G3962
I use many different Bible versions, some that you have referred to. You didn't answer how other versions render the NWT's meaningless. How are the meanings different?
Jhn 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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Post #177Eternal life is knowing the Father---the only true God---AND the one the Father sent forth, Jesus Christ. It does not indicate that Jesus Christ is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:40 amJust reread my response above I colored blue. Try also reread John 17:3, what really did Jesus prayed. That is what? ______life,? to know who? One or two?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 12:05 pmJohn 17:3 tells us, by Jesus, that the Father is the only true God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:49 amThey are not the same, NWT is a paraphrase translations, in a thought for thought translations some words being used are non-existent in the original languages. It does not have Strong Concordance and corresponding lexicons that gives meanings of words at the time it was used. Usually you quote Bible texts from same paraphrased Bibles, that might misled us and we might be prone to eisegesis. It might obstruct us to experience eternal life not knowing who Jesus really is. (John 17:3)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:10 pmHow does this denigrate the NWT? Isn't the meaning just the same as your versions? If not, please explain why the NWT doesn't mean the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 am
Greek words not found in NWT, in italics; Therefore greatly exalted Him, granted, at the name of Jesus
And NWT add/used other terms instead, in italics; For this reason, superior position, kindly, in the name, openly acknowledged.
N.W.T.
Philippians 2:9-10-11, “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every (other) name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, (coma) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Php 2:9 Therefore also God greatly exalted him, and granted to him the name above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend heavenly, and earthly, and underground;
Php 2:11 and every tongue should acknowledge that is Lord Jesus Christ to the glory of God the father.
Php 2:9 Therefore G1352 also G2532 G3588 God G2316 greatly exalted him, G1473 G5251 and G2532 granted G5483 to him G1473 the name G3686 G3588 above G5228 every G3956 name, G3686
Php 2:10 that G2443 at G1722 the G3588 name G3686 of Jesus G* every G3956 knee G1119 should bend -- G2578 heavenly, G2032 and G2532 earthly, G1919 and G2532 underground; G2709
Php 2:11 and G2532 every G3956 tongue G1100 should acknowledge G1843 that G3754 [3 is Lord G2962 1Jesus G* 2Christ] G5547 to G1519 the glory G1391 of God G2316 the father. G3962
Php 2:9 διο G1352 και G2532 ο G3588 θεος G2316 αυτον υπερυψωσε G1473 G5251 και G2532 εχαρισατο G5483 αυτω G1473 ονομα G3686 το G3588 υπερ G5228 παν G3956 ονομα G3686
Php 2:10 ινα G2443 εν G1722 τω G3588 ονοματι G3686 Ιησου G* παν G3956 γονυ G1119 καμψη G2578 επουρανιων G2032 και G2532 επιγειων G1919 και G2532 καταχθονιων G2709
Php 2:11 και G2532 πασα G3956 γλωσσα G1100 εξομολογησηται G1843 οτι G3754 κυριος G2962 Ιησους G* χριστος G5547 εις G1519 δοξαν G1391 θεου G2316 πατρος G3962
I use many different Bible versions, some that you have referred to. You didn't answer how other versions render the NWT's meaningless. How are the meanings different?
Jhn 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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Post #178So, we understand that's the subject matter of the verse, and it also does not say that Jesus is not God, but John 1:18 proves that Jesus is God based on original Greek wording from Westcott and Hort, and it is not a translation.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 11:33 amEternal life is knowing the Father---the only true God---AND the one the Father sent forth, Jesus Christ. It does not indicate that Jesus Christ is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:40 amJust reread my response above I colored blue. Try also reread John 17:3, what really did Jesus prayed. That is what? ______life,? to know who? One or two?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 12:05 pmJohn 17:3 tells us, by Jesus, that the Father is the only true God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:49 amThey are not the same, NWT is a paraphrase translations, in a thought for thought translations some words being used are non-existent in the original languages. It does not have Strong Concordance and corresponding lexicons that gives meanings of words at the time it was used. Usually you quote Bible texts from same paraphrased Bibles, that might misled us and we might be prone to eisegesis. It might obstruct us to experience eternal life not knowing who Jesus really is. (John 17:3)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:10 pm
How does this denigrate the NWT? Isn't the meaning just the same as your versions? If not, please explain why the NWT doesn't mean the same.
I use many different Bible versions, some that you have referred to. You didn't answer how other versions render the NWT's meaningless. How are the meanings different?
Jhn 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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Post #179I have listed 16 versions that do not call the Son "God" at John 1:18. They call him "Son." John 1:18 does not prove that Jesus is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 2:49 amSo, we understand that's the subject matter of the verse, and it also does not say that Jesus is not God, but John 1:18 proves that Jesus is God based on original Greek wording from Westcott and Hort, and it is not a translation.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 11:33 amEternal life is knowing the Father---the only true God---AND the one the Father sent forth, Jesus Christ. It does not indicate that Jesus Christ is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:40 amJust reread my response above I colored blue. Try also reread John 17:3, what really did Jesus prayed. That is what? ______life,? to know who? One or two?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 12:05 pmJohn 17:3 tells us, by Jesus, that the Father is the only true God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:49 am
They are not the same, NWT is a paraphrase translations, in a thought for thought translations some words being used are non-existent in the original languages. It does not have Strong Concordance and corresponding lexicons that gives meanings of words at the time it was used. Usually you quote Bible texts from same paraphrased Bibles, that might misled us and we might be prone to eisegesis. It might obstruct us to experience eternal life not knowing who Jesus really is. (John 17:3)
I use many different Bible versions, some that you have referred to. You didn't answer how other versions render the NWT's meaningless. How are the meanings different?
Jhn 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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Post #180Yes, but most of them are paraphrase translations.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:39 amI have listed 16 versions that do not call the Son "God" at John 1:18. They call him "Son." John 1:18 does not prove that Jesus is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 2:49 amSo, we understand that's the subject matter of the verse, and it also does not say that Jesus is not God, but John 1:18 proves that Jesus is God based on original Greek wording from Westcott and Hort, and it is not a translation.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 11:33 amEternal life is knowing the Father---the only true God---AND the one the Father sent forth, Jesus Christ. It does not indicate that Jesus Christ is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:40 amJust reread my response above I colored blue. Try also reread John 17:3, what really did Jesus prayed. That is what? ______life,? to know who? One or two?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 12:05 pm
John 17:3 tells us, by Jesus, that the Father is the only true God.
I use many different Bible versions, some that you have referred to. You didn't answer how other versions render the NWT's meaningless. How are the meanings different?
Jhn 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Westcott and Hort I'll say again is not a translation, it is original Greek of the New Testament.
You quote the Emphatic Diaglott Interlinear on the other thread, but I believe Emphatic Diaglott is not a neutral ground for your support because it is your Church's Watch Tower Society that sold the Diaglott inexpensively (offering it free of charge from 1990). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emphatic_Diaglott