"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[marke]

Why Is Antarctica’s Sea Ice Growing While the Arctic Melts? Scientists Have an Answer
Global warming is melting the Arctic and glaciers worldwide, but not so much the sea ice in Antarctica. Observational data offers clues climate models did not.

As the massive ice cap melts, so vast amounts of pack ice are left in the sea at this time. One huge ice sheet has broken away and drifted on to the shores of Georgia, a British island. This ice wouldn't be there if the ice sheet over Antarctica was intact.

Marke: I tend to discount politicial organizations that promote alarmism to spur government spending on climate change to reduce things like world poverty.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/06 ... te-change/

Climate Action
Arctic Ocean could become ice-free by 2030. Why it matters?
Jun 8, 2023

The Arctic Ocean could be ice-free in summer by the 2030s, even if we do a good job of reducing emissions between now and then. That’s the worrying conclusion of a new study in Nature Communications. ...

Discover
What’s the World Economic Forum doing about climate change? ...

One problem with predicting when this might occur is that sea ice is notoriously difficult to model because it is influenced by both atmospheric and oceanic circulation as well as the flow of heat between these two parts of the climate system. That means that the climate models – powerful computer programs used to simulate the environment – need to get all of these components right to be able to accurately predict changes in sea ice extent. ...

[marke]

]Marke: I am for restricting hazardous chemical releases into the atmosphere, but in favor of spending trillions of US dollars to help nations around the world solve poverty and income disparity issues they claim are caused by global warming.

No Marke, after reading your previous comments about how little you support international aid, the above just doesn't look like you at all!

Marke: DOGE is finding out that billions of dollars in international aid is being laundered back into democrat bank accounts in the US.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #212]

We must admit that natural forces uninfluenced by human advancements in civilization brought the earth out of the ice age. Why not admit furthermore that no human advances have added more CO2 to the atmosphere than non-human factors like volcanoes?

Because that would be a nonsensical conclusion.

Scientists estimate that approximately twenty volcanoes are erupting on any given day. There are hundreds of thermal plants and millions upon millions of automobiles emitting greenhouse gases on any given day. That difference is significant. As mentioned in an earlier post:

"This is because human emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases push the Earth further out of the range of climate conditions that have characterised the past few million years."


If you have a load of bricks on your back and I come along and put a second load of bricks on your back and I say, "Hey----the load I put on you is no heavier than the load you were already carrying!", will that make you feel better?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #213]

Frustratingly, our expert class seems intent on serving us a foggy mixture of weather and climate conclusions as though the two are the same. They are not—and casually conflating them makes it harder for the public to understand the nature and extent of the issues. It also undermines the public service component of science.

Confusing Weather with Climate

This is pure projection.

"More specifically, weather is the mix of events that happen each day in our atmosphere. Even though there’s only one atmosphere on Earth, the weather isn’t the same all around the world. Weather is different in different parts of the world and changes over minutes, hours, days, and weeks.

Whereas weather refers to short-term changes in the atmosphere, climate describes what the weather is like over a long period of time in a specific area."
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/weather-vs-climate


"Weather is a specific event—like a rainstorm or hot day—that happens over a few hours, days or weeks. Climate is the average weather conditions in a place over 30 years or more. NASA has observed that Earth's climate is getting warmer."
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/menu/weath ... g%20warmer.

Climate change denialists are the ones who conflate weather and climate. They're the ones who point out the window and say, "Look! It's snowing! That proves that global warming isn't happening!"

Like laying a yardstick on the ground to prove that the world is flat.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #212]

We must admit that natural forces uninfluenced by human advancements in civilization brought the earth out of the ice age. Why not admit furthermore that no human advances have added more CO2 to the atmosphere than non-human factors like volcanoes?

Because that would be a nonsensical conclusion.

Scientists estimate that approximately twenty volcanoes are erupting on any given day. There are hundreds of thermal plants and millions upon millions of automobiles emitting greenhouse gases on any given day. That difference is significant. As mentioned in an earlier post:

"This is because human emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases push the Earth further out of the range of climate conditions that have characterised the past few million years."


If you have a load of bricks on your back and I come along and put a second load of bricks on your back and I say, "Hey----the load I put on you is no heavier than the load you were already carrying!", will that make you feel better?

Marke: Beware of the influencers who tell you the world will soon end tragically if we do not decommission human progress and prosperity to fund worldwide efforts to change the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #213]

Frustratingly, our expert class seems intent on serving us a foggy mixture of weather and climate conclusions as though the two are the same. They are not—and casually conflating them makes it harder for the public to understand the nature and extent of the issues. It also undermines the public service component of science.

Confusing Weather with Climate

This is pure projection.

"More specifically, weather is the mix of events that happen each day in our atmosphere. Even though there’s only one atmosphere on Earth, the weather isn’t the same all around the world. Weather is different in different parts of the world and changes over minutes, hours, days, and weeks.

Whereas weather refers to short-term changes in the atmosphere, climate describes what the weather is like over a long period of time in a specific area."
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/weather-vs-climate


"Weather is a specific event—like a rainstorm or hot day—that happens over a few hours, days or weeks. Climate is the average weather conditions in a place over 30 years or more. NASA has observed that Earth's climate is getting warmer."
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/menu/weath ... g%20warmer.

Climate change denialists are the ones who conflate weather and climate. They're the ones who point out the window and say, "Look! It's snowing! That proves that global warming isn't happening!"

Like laying a yardstick on the ground to prove that the world is flat.

Marke: Humans did not dangerously alter the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere and it is a certainty they can not change the makeup to meet some imagined better atmospheric composition.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #225]

"This is because human emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases push the Earth further out of the range of climate conditions that have characterised the past few million years."

Beware of the influencers who tell you the world will soon end tragically if we do not decommission human progress and prosperity to fund worldwide efforts to change the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere.

So everyone who conveys information you don't like is an "influencer" now?

The worldwide effort is to reduce the change to the makeup of the atmosphere which has been going on.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #226]

Humans did not dangerously alter the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere and it is a certainty they can not change the makeup to meet some imagined better atmospheric composition.

More projection. Changes to the atmosphere's makeup are driving climate change.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #225]

"This is because human emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases push the Earth further out of the range of climate conditions that have characterised the past few million years."

Beware of the influencers who tell you the world will soon end tragically if we do not decommission human progress and prosperity to fund worldwide efforts to change the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere.

So everyone who conveys information you don't like is an "influencer" now?

The worldwide effort is to reduce the change to the makeup of the atmosphere which has been going on.

Marke: Humans are notoriously proud in their erroneous imaginings that they can alter the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere by doing away with modern conveniences and things like cows they think are causing the problems they think they see and think they can fix.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #229]

Humans are notoriously proud in their erroneous imaginings that they can alter the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere by doing away with modern conveniences and things like cows they think are causing the problems they think they see and think they can fix.

And yet more projection. The change is already going on; the goal is to reduce the level of change happening now. And hanging the label "modern conveniences" on things doesn't render them harmless.