"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[oldbadger]

Marke: Interpreting climate data is not an exact science by far.

Who told you that?

Some scientists claim the earth was once encased in an ice age.

It was, and climate researchers know why. A large and very high tree evolved which locked up much of the carbon.

What caused the global warming that thawed the ice and was that caused by humans and was that a bad thing?

I can't remember why at this time, but you could actually ask this question to your search engine. You just have to do that.
And NO, humanity didn't play any part in that....... only in the last 200 years or so.

Climate change alarmism is supported far more by theoretical and political ideas and ideologies than by scientific facts.[/b]

If you don't believe that the carbon and methane that we have produced is warming the Earth, melting the glaciers and ice sheets and (soon) raising levels then you don't........ We just have to hope that enough people are recognising the changes that are happening.
But I remember the dirty fogs of London that could kill so many and now London air is so much cleaner because of modern technology and pollution controls.
If you want to keep putting dirt in to the skies and rivers then we can't stop you, I guess.

EDIT:-
I just checked for you!
Very high volcanic activity pumped the carbon back in the atmosphere which heated up the Earth once more:-

Here you are, in brief:-
Once the world iced over, carbon dioxide brought up by volcanoes could no longer be removed from the atmosphere: there were no rivers, no rain or snow and no weathering. For millions of years, carbon dioxide levels climbed, eventually rising to about 300 times what they are today. At this point the greenhouse effect took off with a vengeance and the ice melted back, dropping the glacial rocks onto the ocean floor. Rain began falling again, the resulting carbonic acid dissolved granite again and the whole process cranked up once more.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #209]

What caused the global warming that thawed the ice and was that caused by humans and was that a bad thing?

The fact that relatively small changes in external forcings can drive such a large planetary response during ice ages should serve as a cautionary example. This is because human emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases push the Earth further out of the range of climate conditions that have characterised the past few million years.

Global temperatures were only around 4C colder during the last ice age than they are today. Under higher emissions scenarios with limited mitigation efforts, it is quite possible that the world may warm more in just over a century than it warmed over many thousands of years during the end of the last ice age.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-h ... -ice-ages/

Marke: We must admit that natural forces uninfluenced by human advancements in civilization brought the earth out of the ice age. Why not admit furthermore that no human advances have added more CO2 to the atmosphere than non-human factors like volcanoes? Measurements of the effects of human activities and volcanic eruptions on the earth's atmosphere are far from exact measurements and drawing extensive conclusions from the debatable data is not wise.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-muc ... ct-climate

How much can a large volcanic eruption affect the climate?

The largest volcanic eruptions can significantly cool the Earth for years. In much rarer circumstances, a volcano could also temporarily warm the climate.

[marke]

Marke: Interpreting climate data is not an exact science by far.

Who told you that?

Marke:

https://energypointresearch.com/blog/archives/12296

Energy Industry Intelligence & Commentary

Black and white text against images of green grass and orange dessert climates next to each other with a measuring tape black text.
Posted onJanuary 31, 2024 by Doug Sheridan
Measuring Climate Change—A Matter of (Un)certainty
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Propelled by sweeping policy, financial and lifestyle reforms being proposed to limit or mitigate its effects, climate change has become one of the major concerns of our time. In one way or another, it now touches virtually every aspect of our society, from our health and economy to our culture and values.

There is no shortage of press releases, research findings or news articles to shape our perception of the climate threat. Whether it’s studies published by the UN, NASA or NOAA, or reporting on these organizations’ findings, we’re inundated with stats, figures, rankings, comparisons, forecasts and warnings regarding the state of our planet. It’s worth asking whether all this information gives the general public a clear, accurate and unbiased picture of what’s going on.

To better understand the challenge, we naturally look to climate scientists and statisticians who gather and study the data and decipher the causes and effects of climate change. These experts implicitly command our respect and attention. With that comes a responsibility to get at least the process—and, hopefully, the answer—right. This means measuring and testing evidence of climate change, and reporting discoveries in meaningful and accurate ways, without short cuts, misrepresentations or omissions.

So, how well do scientists and the scientific community live up to these standards as they attempt to make their research relevant to both the public and policymakers? Not as well as one would hope.

Frustratingly, our expert class seems intent on serving us a foggy mixture of weather and climate conclusions as though the two are the same. They are not—and casually conflating them makes it harder for the public to understand the nature and extent of the issues. It also undermines the public service component of science.

Confusing Weather with Climate

[marke]

Some scientists claim the earth was once encased in an ice age.

It was, and climate researchers know why. A large and very high tree evolved which locked up much of the carbon.

Marke: Darwin's mythical tree of life? It was felled by scientists like Ford Doolittle more than 1/4 century ago.

[marke]

Climate change alarmism is supported far more by theoretical and political ideas and ideologies than by scientific facts.[/b]

If you don't believe that the carbon and methane that we have produced is warming the Earth, melting the glaciers and ice sheets and (soon) raising levels then you don't........ We just have to hope that enough people are recognising the changes that are happening.

Marke: How fast do you think the ice sheet is melting in Antarctica?

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/3105 ... 7gQAvD_BwE

Why Is Antarctica’s Sea Ice Growing While the Arctic Melts? Scientists Have an Answer
Global warming is melting the Arctic and glaciers worldwide, but not so much the sea ice in Antarctica. Observational data offers clues climate models did not.

[marke]

But I remember the dirty fogs of London that could kill so many and now London air is so much cleaner because of modern technology and pollution controls.
If you want to keep putting dirt in to the skies and rivers then we can't stop you, I guess.

Marke: I am for restricting hazardous chemical releases into the atmosphere, but in favor of spending trillions of US dollars to help nations around the world solve poverty and income disparity issues they claim are caused by global warming.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fan ... an-taconet

Policies aimed at slowing warming could be better designed to reduce inequality

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In recent decades, global economic growth has lifted millions out of extreme poverty and reduced inequalities between countries. But unmanaged climate change threatens to set back that progress by damaging poverty eradication efforts worldwide, and disproportionately affecting the poorest regions and people.

The evidence is mounting: a World Bank report estimated that an additional 68 to 135 million people could be pushed into poverty by 2030 because of climate change.

[oldbadger]

Marke: Darwin's mythical tree of life? It was felled by scientists like Ford Doolittle more than 1/4 century ago.

The reduction of carbon due to giant trees which froze the planet? Do some study Marke.

[oldbadger]

Why Is Antarctica’s Sea Ice Growing While the Arctic Melts? Scientists Have an Answer
Global warming is melting the Arctic and glaciers worldwide, but not so much the sea ice in Antarctica. Observational data offers clues climate models did not.

As the massive ice cap melts, so vast amounts of pack ice are left in the sea at this time. One huge ice sheet has broken away and drifted on to the shores of Georgia, a British island. This ice wouldn't be there if the ice sheet over Antarctica was intact.

[oldbadger]

]Marke: I am for restricting hazardous chemical releases into the atmosphere, but in favor of spending trillions of US dollars to help nations around the world solve poverty and income disparity issues they claim are caused by global warming.

No Marke, after reading your previous comments about how little you support international aid, the above just doesn't look like you at all!

[marke]

Marke: Darwin's mythical tree of life? It was felled by scientists like Ford Doolittle more than 1/4 century ago.

The reduction of carbon due to giant trees which froze the planet? Do some study Marke.

Marke: Atmospheric carbon content was sufficient to sustain life for thousands of years in the past and will be sufficient to sustain life in the future until Jesus returns.

Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.