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Genesis 3:22, “The LORD God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil?”

Who were these words being addressed to?

In the LORD’S Garden of Paradise, his plan of providence and grace was not to be disturbed by the serpent’s craftiness, or by the foolishness of man. So, were these words being addressed to his Son and the Holy Spirit? Or were they addressed to Adam and Eve? Or were they addressed to the serpent in sarcasm when he said to Eve, “You shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;”

Were the words meant to awaken and humble Adam and Eve? Were they to bring them to a sense of guilt, of their foolishness, and bring them to a full understanding of the sin they had committed?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:14 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm...Adam was speaking to...Jesus Christ.

So you think Jesus speaking to Satan the Devil said "behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil" - Genesis 3:22,
GENESIS 3:22-23a

Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,—” 23 With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of Eʹden ...
The one who created (Jesus) was speaking to the one who helped him, the Holy Spirit, and to his Father who sent him. It's really simple! The tree wasn't evil, the fruit of the tree wasn't evil, God didn't create evil, and no evil was committed until Eve took from the tree. She did nothing evil in the sense of evil, what she did was to disobey her Creator. When she did that, and Adam followed her action, both were now introduced to Mr. Evil himself, the founder of evil, the devil.

Now Adam and Eve new God (who is good) and evil (the serpent who is evil).

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placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:58 am... (Jesus) was speaking to ...the Holy Spirit, and to his Father .
Okay. That's clear enough. You believe Jesus was speaking. So, what did you mean by the following ?

placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who is the "him" in the comment above?
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placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:39 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:51 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:43 am
placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who are you referring to above when you say The LORD?
To whomever these verses refer, I am also referring. And keep in mind, no man has seen the Father, not even Adam.

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."

John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

You tell me who the "HIM" is. I say it's the Son of God walking in the garden.
You gave no meaningful answer to the question of who the LORD is that is spoken of, in the Garden? What a waffle you gave. (The verses pertaining to the Garden never say that Adam saw the LORD.)
Okay, if you can't read between the lines, Adam was speaking to the Creator, Jesus Christ. See Colossians 1:16; John 1:3: Hebrews 1:10 etc.

The LORD was walking in the garden, so Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the "PRESENCE" of the LORD God." You don't hide if there is no one around to hide from. Then the LORD called Adam,

And probably said to him; my words, "Get out here, I want to talk to you." Adam turned to Eve and must have said to her, "Now you've done it."
"The LORD" refers to Jehovah, the Most High. The Tetragrammaton appears there. It doesn't say that it was Jesus, though it might have been, as he has been God's Word and representative. Or Jehovah may have talked with Adam without appearing to him, in my estimation. A real conversation though not literally face to face.

Indeed, Adam blamed the woman for the blunder. "It was this woman you gave me!"

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:03 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:39 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:51 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:43 am
placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who are you referring to above when you say The LORD?
To whomever these verses refer, I am also referring. And keep in mind, no man has seen the Father, not even Adam.

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."

John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

You tell me who the "HIM" is. I say it's the Son of God walking in the garden.
You gave no meaningful answer to the question of who the LORD is that is spoken of, in the Garden? What a waffle you gave. (The verses pertaining to the Garden never say that Adam saw the LORD.)
Okay, if you can't read between the lines, Adam was speaking to the Creator, Jesus Christ. See Colossians 1:16; John 1:3: Hebrews 1:10 etc.

The LORD was walking in the garden, so Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the "PRESENCE" of the LORD God." You don't hide if there is no one around to hide from. Then the LORD called Adam,

And probably said to him; my words, "Get out here, I want to talk to you." Adam turned to Eve and must have said to her, "Now you've done it."
"The LORD" refers to Jehovah, the Most High. The Tetragrammaton appears there. It doesn't say that it was Jesus, though it might have been, as he has been God's Word and representative. Or Jehovah may have talked with Adam without appearing to him, in my estimation. A real conversation though not literally face to face.

How could the two of them have a conversation with the Lord if not face-to-face? There were no phones or I-pads. If it were through a vision, dream, or third-party, scriptures would have said it. Jehovah was walking in the garden, so he had to be there in person. When Adam and Eve either heard or saw him, they hid themselves from him. When he called them, they came out with fig leaves to hide their shame.

When Adam was created, the first thing he did when he opened his eyes was see the face of God standing over him.

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placebofactor wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:27 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:03 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:39 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:51 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:43 am
placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who are you referring to above when you say The LORD?
To whomever these verses refer, I am also referring. And keep in mind, no man has seen the Father, not even Adam.

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."

John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

You tell me who the "HIM" is. I say it's the Son of God walking in the garden.
You gave no meaningful answer to the question of who the LORD is that is spoken of, in the Garden? What a waffle you gave. (The verses pertaining to the Garden never say that Adam saw the LORD.)
Okay, if you can't read between the lines, Adam was speaking to the Creator, Jesus Christ. See Colossians 1:16; John 1:3: Hebrews 1:10 etc.

The LORD was walking in the garden, so Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the "PRESENCE" of the LORD God." You don't hide if there is no one around to hide from. Then the LORD called Adam,

And probably said to him; my words, "Get out here, I want to talk to you." Adam turned to Eve and must have said to her, "Now you've done it."
"The LORD" refers to Jehovah, the Most High. The Tetragrammaton appears there. It doesn't say that it was Jesus, though it might have been, as he has been God's Word and representative. Or Jehovah may have talked with Adam without appearing to him, in my estimation. A real conversation though not literally face to face.

How could the two of them have a conversation with the Lord if not face-to-face?
The two of them could have a conversation just like Jehovah had with Samuel when he was a little boy. Samuel heard Jehovah but did not see Him.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:53 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:27 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:03 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:39 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:51 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:43 am
placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who are you referring to above when you say The LORD?
To whomever these verses refer, I am also referring. And keep in mind, no man has seen the Father, not even Adam.

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."

John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

You tell me who the "HIM" is. I say it's the Son of God walking in the garden.
You gave no meaningful answer to the question of who the LORD is that is spoken of, in the Garden? What a waffle you gave. (The verses pertaining to the Garden never say that Adam saw the LORD.)
Okay, if you can't read between the lines, Adam was speaking to the Creator, Jesus Christ. See Colossians 1:16; John 1:3: Hebrews 1:10 etc.

The LORD was walking in the garden, so Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the "PRESENCE" of the LORD God." You don't hide if there is no one around to hide from. Then the LORD called Adam,

And probably said to him; my words, "Get out here, I want to talk to you." Adam turned to Eve and must have said to her, "Now you've done it."
"The LORD" refers to Jehovah, the Most High. The Tetragrammaton appears there. It doesn't say that it was Jesus, though it might have been, as he has been God's Word and representative. Or Jehovah may have talked with Adam without appearing to him, in my estimation. A real conversation though not literally face to face.

How could the two of them have a conversation with the Lord if not face-to-face?
The two of them could have a conversation just like Jehovah had with Samuel when he was a little boy. Samuel heard Jehovah but did not see Him.
Maybe they used a cell phone to communicate. No God was with Adam and Eve in the garden, and they spoke with him (Jesus) face to face.

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placebofactor wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:46 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:53 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:27 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:03 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:39 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:51 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:43 am
placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who are you referring to above when you say The LORD?
To whomever these verses refer, I am also referring. And keep in mind, no man has seen the Father, not even Adam.

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."

John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

You tell me who the "HIM" is. I say it's the Son of God walking in the garden.
You gave no meaningful answer to the question of who the LORD is that is spoken of, in the Garden? What a waffle you gave. (The verses pertaining to the Garden never say that Adam saw the LORD.)
Okay, if you can't read between the lines, Adam was speaking to the Creator, Jesus Christ. See Colossians 1:16; John 1:3: Hebrews 1:10 etc.

The LORD was walking in the garden, so Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the "PRESENCE" of the LORD God." You don't hide if there is no one around to hide from. Then the LORD called Adam,

And probably said to him; my words, "Get out here, I want to talk to you." Adam turned to Eve and must have said to her, "Now you've done it."
"The LORD" refers to Jehovah, the Most High. The Tetragrammaton appears there. It doesn't say that it was Jesus, though it might have been, as he has been God's Word and representative. Or Jehovah may have talked with Adam without appearing to him, in my estimation. A real conversation though not literally face to face.

How could the two of them have a conversation with the Lord if not face-to-face?
The two of them could have a conversation just like Jehovah had with Samuel when he was a little boy. Samuel heard Jehovah but did not see Him.
Maybe they used a cell phone to communicate. No God was with Adam and Eve in the garden, and they spoke with him (Jesus) face to face.
You make a snide remark about Samuel listening and responding to God, yet what I said is true. He heard God's voice and responded, although he didn't see anyone.

But you may be correct concerning your thoughts on Jesus being in the Garden with Adam.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:24 am
placebofactor wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:46 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:53 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:27 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:03 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:40 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:39 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:51 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:43 am
placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am... the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him.
Who are you referring to above when you say The LORD?
To whomever these verses refer, I am also referring. And keep in mind, no man has seen the Father, not even Adam.

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible."

John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

You tell me who the "HIM" is. I say it's the Son of God walking in the garden.
You gave no meaningful answer to the question of who the LORD is that is spoken of, in the Garden? What a waffle you gave. (The verses pertaining to the Garden never say that Adam saw the LORD.)
Okay, if you can't read between the lines, Adam was speaking to the Creator, Jesus Christ. See Colossians 1:16; John 1:3: Hebrews 1:10 etc.

The LORD was walking in the garden, so Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the "PRESENCE" of the LORD God." You don't hide if there is no one around to hide from. Then the LORD called Adam,

And probably said to him; my words, "Get out here, I want to talk to you." Adam turned to Eve and must have said to her, "Now you've done it."
"The LORD" refers to Jehovah, the Most High. The Tetragrammaton appears there. It doesn't say that it was Jesus, though it might have been, as he has been God's Word and representative. Or Jehovah may have talked with Adam without appearing to him, in my estimation. A real conversation though not literally face to face.

How could the two of them have a conversation with the Lord if not face-to-face?
The two of them could have a conversation just like Jehovah had with Samuel when he was a little boy. Samuel heard Jehovah but did not see Him.
Maybe they used a cell phone to communicate. No God was with Adam and Eve in the garden, and they spoke with him (Jesus) face to face.
You make a snide remark about Samuel listening and responding to God, yet what I said is true. He heard God's voice and responded, although he didn't see anyone.

Prove he didn't see the LORD. It was Jesus who walked in the garden, not the Father. It was Jesus who blew the breath of life into Adam. When Adam opened his eyes, he was looking into the face of his Maker.

But you may be correct concerning your thoughts on Jesus being in the Garden with Adam.
Jesus is the creator, why wouldn't he be in the garden?

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placebofactor wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:34 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:02 am
placebofactor wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:09 am
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:51 pm

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]

This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
Before Adam and Eve were created, how could God suggest to Adam and Eve that they be created?

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And since mankind had not even been created at that time, it seems that spiritual bodied beings like Satan and the angels would be the only other possible beings being spoken to.
I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said, "Let us make man in our image and in our likeness." I was referring to the Lord speaking to his Father and the Holy Spirit when he made that statement.

Is the "Lord" Jesus Christ?

God is the speaker in that verse, not Jesus: "And God said".
Colossians 1:16, "For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,"

Hebrews 1:8, "But unto the Son he (the Father) said, your throne O God, is forever and ever: Verse 9, "Therefore God (Jesus), even your God (the Father), has anointed you with the oil of Gladness above thy fellows."

John 1:3, "All things were made by him (Jesus the Word), and without him was not anything made that was made."

Revelation 1:8, Jesus is speaking, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth. Elohim, plural, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost who moved upon the surface of the waters.

And God (Jesus who created all things, see above) said, "Let there be."

You're confusing Jesus with the Word. The Word is the spiritual bodied God:

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Jesus is the Word made flesh as a human:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


The Word created everything, not Jesus.

The Word made flesh as the man Jesus Christ was born about 2025 years ago.

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placebofactor wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am ...we also know the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him...
Bingo. You found Dad. Now you just need to find Mom.

Let 'us' make Man in 'our' image.

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The Forbidden Fruit was a Zygote.

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