Genesis 3:22, “The LORD God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil?”
Who were these words being addressed to?
In the LORD’S Garden of Paradise, his plan of providence and grace was not to be disturbed by the serpent’s craftiness, or by the foolishness of man. So, were these words being addressed to his Son and the Holy Spirit? Or were they addressed to Adam and Eve? Or were they addressed to the serpent in sarcasm when he said to Eve, “You shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;”
Were the words meant to awaken and humble Adam and Eve? Were they to bring them to a sense of guilt, of their foolishness, and bring them to a full understanding of the sin they had committed?
Your thoughts.
Man is become as one of us.
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Re: Man is become as one of us.
Post #2placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:41 pm Genesis 3:22, “The LORD God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil?”
Who were these words being addressed to?
There were originally two differences between mankind, and God and the angels. Those differences were knowledge of good and evil, and body type. Two trees in the Garden of Eden represented these two differences.
Upon eating from the tree of knowledge, mankind became closer to God and the angels by being able to distinguish good from evil.
The only remaining difference between man and God and the angels now is body type. Man has a natural physical mortal body, and God and the angels have spiritual immortal bodies.
Upon eating from the Tree of Life, mankind would have become equal unto God and the angels by gaining everlasting spiritual bodied life.
So these words were addressed all spiritual boded beings present in the Garden of Eden (us) at that time, as only God and the angels live forever:
Genesis 3
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Post #3Before the fall Adam and Eve were innocent in their ignorance of sin. After the fall they became )like the angels) aware of the presence of sin and somewhat aware of the sad consequences of sin.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:41 pm Genesis 3:22, “The LORD God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil?”
Who were these words being addressed to?
In the LORD’S Garden of Paradise, his plan of providence and grace was not to be disturbed by the serpent’s craftiness, or by the foolishness of man. So, were these words being addressed to his Son and the Holy Spirit? Or were they addressed to Adam and Eve? Or were they addressed to the serpent in sarcasm when he said to Eve, “You shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;”
Were the words meant to awaken and humble Adam and Eve? Were they to bring them to a sense of guilt, of their foolishness, and bring them to a full understanding of the sin they had committed?
Your thoughts.
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Re: Man is become as one of us.
Post #4I believe He was speaking to these "sons of God":placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:41 pm Genesis 3:22, “The LORD God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil?”
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I said, “You are gods, all of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, and fall like one of the rulers.”
Ps. 82:6-7
Now on the day when God’s sons came to present themselves before Yahweh,[a] Satan also came among them.
Job 1:6
When men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, God’s sons saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took any that they wanted for themselves as wives.
Gen. 6:1-2
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Post #5[Replying to 1213 in post #4]
Let me address Mythone, Marke and 1213 here.
This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
But several good points have been made by the three of you. We know the Holy Spirit took an active part in Creation, and we know it was the Father who sent both the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But there is another twist to this dilemma, we also know the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him. Why? The devil told Eve, "Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;"
Implied, If you eat of the tree of good and evil you shall be as gods, and all they would have to do then, is eat of the tree of life and live forever. This makes sense to me because, the LORD cast the two from Eden and placed at the east of the garden "Cherubim's, and a flaming sword with turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
Side note: In Solomon's temple two Cherubim were placed over the ark of the covenant. They were about 15 feet tall, and had a wing length of 8". If that is the true size of these creatures in heaven, is it no wonder no one ever returned to the garden: Hmmm! I like it, your thoughts.
Let me address Mythone, Marke and 1213 here.
This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
But several good points have been made by the three of you. We know the Holy Spirit took an active part in Creation, and we know it was the Father who sent both the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But there is another twist to this dilemma, we also know the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him. Why? The devil told Eve, "Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;"
Implied, If you eat of the tree of good and evil you shall be as gods, and all they would have to do then, is eat of the tree of life and live forever. This makes sense to me because, the LORD cast the two from Eden and placed at the east of the garden "Cherubim's, and a flaming sword with turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
Side note: In Solomon's temple two Cherubim were placed over the ark of the covenant. They were about 15 feet tall, and had a wing length of 8". If that is the true size of these creatures in heaven, is it no wonder no one ever returned to the garden: Hmmm! I like it, your thoughts.
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Post #6Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Before Adam and Eve were created, how could God suggest to Adam and Eve that they be created?placebofactor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]
This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
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And since mankind had not even been created at that time, it seems that spiritual bodied beings like Satan and the angels would be the only other possible beings being spoken to.
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Post #7I think that is possible.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am ...But there is another twist to this dilemma, we also know the devil was in the Garden. The LORD may have been speaking to him. ...
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Post #8I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said, "Let us make man in our image and in our likeness." I was referring to the Lord speaking to his Father and the Holy Spirit when he made that statement.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:51 pm
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Before Adam and Eve were created, how could God suggest to Adam and Eve that they be created?placebofactor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]
This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
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And since mankind had not even been created at that time, it seems that spiritual bodied beings like Satan and the angels would be the only other possible beings being spoken to.
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Post #9placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:09 amI always thought these words were being spoken to those God said, "Let us make man in our image and in our likeness." I was referring to the Lord speaking to his Father and the Holy Spirit when he made that statement.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:51 pm
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Before Adam and Eve were created, how could God suggest to Adam and Eve that they be created?placebofactor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]
This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
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And since mankind had not even been created at that time, it seems that spiritual bodied beings like Satan and the angels would be the only other possible beings being spoken to.
Is the "Lord" Jesus Christ?
God is the speaker in that verse, not Jesus: "And God said".
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Post #10Colossians 1:16, "For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,"myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:02 amplacebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:09 amI always thought these words were being spoken to those God said, "Let us make man in our image and in our likeness." I was referring to the Lord speaking to his Father and the Holy Spirit when he made that statement.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:51 pm
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Before Adam and Eve were created, how could God suggest to Adam and Eve that they be created?placebofactor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:29 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]
This is a difficult verse to understand. Concerning angels, I see no mention of angels in the garden. Let me set that idea aside for a moment. I always thought these words were being spoken to those God said "Let us make man in our image, and in our likeness."
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And since mankind had not even been created at that time, it seems that spiritual bodied beings like Satan and the angels would be the only other possible beings being spoken to.
Is the "Lord" Jesus Christ?
God is the speaker in that verse, not Jesus: "And God said".
Hebrews 1:8, "But unto the Son he (the Father) said, your throne O God, is forever and ever: Verse 9, "Therefore God (Jesus), even your God (the Father), has anointed you with the oil of Gladness above thy fellows."
John 1:3, "All things were made by him (Jesus the Word), and without him was not anything made that was made."
Revelation 1:8, Jesus is speaking, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth. Elohim, plural, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost who moved upon the surface of the waters.
And God (Jesus who created all things, see above) said, "Let there be."