Moses wrote 3500 years ago and the writers of the New Testament 2000 years ago. Yet science appears only now to be catching up with God’s word. Following is proof that Jesus is God, the Son of God, and Son of man, and that he is without beginning.
The mother provides her unborn developing infant with the nutritive elements for building its physical body in her womb, but all the blood that forms in the unborn child is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the father’s contribution; therefore, not one drop of blood ever passes from the mother to the child.
And so goes the miracle of the conception of the virgin birth. Luke 1:30-35, the angel came to Mary and said --- “Behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus.” --- “The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that Holy One (Jesus) which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.”
This was a male sperm inserted into the womb of a virgin. Was this seed taken directly from the Father or the Son? Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. Now, because Mary conceived by supernatural insemination of the Holy Spirit, and the seed was that of God, the child born of this seed was born without spot or blemish, and without a sinful nature.
So, Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh, but he did not inherit Adam's nature. Mary's geology is traced back to Adam, Luke 3:38.
This provides us with the evidence, that sin is NOT transmitted through the flesh but through the blood. And though Jesus was of the "seed of David” and of the "seed of Adam" through Mary according to the flesh" He was, 1 Timothy 3:16, “God manifest in the flesh, and as Matthew 1:23 states, “God with us.” That newborn child was born perfectly human in the flesh, and yet perfectly God. And because the seed was that of God, our faith, and his precious blood gave us victory over death and hell.
Romans 5:9, "Justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath, through Him." The phrase, to be "saved from wrath, through Him"
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #61So, why did God call Ephraim his "first born"?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:22 pm
I understand that as the dominant tribe of the northern kingdom, Ephraim came to stand for the entire ten-tribe kingdom. (2Ch 25:7; Jer 7:15)
The problem is, what you "see" doesn't reflect the proper context of any of those examples.Yes, I see all of your examples as the first one born or created.
I got 99 problems, dude.
Don't become the hundredth one.
Don't become the hundredth one.
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Post #62Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #63But what you see reflects the proper context? When Jesus comes back, we'll see who is seeing correctly.SiNcE_1985 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 11:35 pmSo, why did God call Ephraim his "first born"?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:22 pm
I understand that as the dominant tribe of the northern kingdom, Ephraim came to stand for the entire ten-tribe kingdom. (2Ch 25:7; Jer 7:15)
The problem is, what you "see" doesn't reflect the proper context of any of those examples.Yes, I see all of your examples as the first one born or created.
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #64Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #65He writes, "Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 amShow me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
god the son, the Son of God, Jesus Christ is Lord (Jehovah), the mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty, the LORD, Jehovah, their all the same person, I don't care how it's said, it makes no difference, only to a Jehovah's Witness who is without the Holy Spirit questions any of these titles and characteristics of Jesus Christ the Holy One, Redeemer and Savior of the World.
"And the Word was God."
His name shall be called Emmanuel, God with us."
"God was manifest in the flesh."
All things were created by him and for him." Etc. etc. etc. etc. ------ etc.
All the evidence the Witnesses can produce is from their corrupted version of the Bible.
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #66Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 amShow me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #67Marke, that's a great verse to prove your point. Good work!marke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pmMarke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 amShow me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #68That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."marke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pmMarke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 amShow me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.
Post #69Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pmThat's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."marke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pmMarke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 amShow me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
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Post #70King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pmWhy callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pmThat's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."marke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pmMarke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 amShow me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)marke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 amMarke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pmEven if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.placebofactor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 amHow many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 amBible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."
Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.