With God, nothing is impossible.

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Moses wrote 3500 years ago and the writers of the New Testament 2000 years ago. Yet science appears only now to be catching up with God’s word. Following is proof that Jesus is God, the Son of God, and Son of man, and that he is without beginning.

The mother provides her unborn developing infant with the nutritive elements for building its physical body in her womb, but all the blood that forms in the unborn child is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the father’s contribution; therefore, not one drop of blood ever passes from the mother to the child.

And so goes the miracle of the conception of the virgin birth. Luke 1:30-35, the angel came to Mary and said --- “Behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus.” --- “The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that Holy One (Jesus) which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.”

This was a male sperm inserted into the womb of a virgin. Was this seed taken directly from the Father or the Son? Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. Now, because Mary conceived by supernatural insemination of the Holy Spirit, and the seed was that of God, the child born of this seed was born without spot or blemish, and without a sinful nature.

So, Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh, but he did not inherit Adam's nature. Mary's geology is traced back to Adam, Luke 3:38.

This provides us with the evidence, that sin is NOT transmitted through the flesh but through the blood. And though Jesus was of the "seed of David” and of the "seed of Adam" through Mary according to the flesh" He was, 1 Timothy 3:16, “God manifest in the flesh, and as Matthew 1:23 states, “God with us.” That newborn child was born perfectly human in the flesh, and yet perfectly God. And because the seed was that of God, our faith, and his precious blood gave us victory over death and hell.

Romans 5:9, "Justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath, through Him." The phrase, to be "saved from wrath, through Him"

[onewithhim]

It's very clear:

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." (Colossians 1:15, KJV)

Let's have some fun.

If you'd be so kind, can you explain to me what the word firstborn means in every one of these following contexts..

Gen 27:32 "His father Isaac asked him, “Who are you?” “I am your son,” he answered, “your firstborn, Esau.”

Exo 4:22 "Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son,"

Ps 89:27 "And I will appoint him to be my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth."

Jere 31:9 "They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel’s father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son."

Can you please, as brief yet precise as you can, explain to me the context of the word firstborn in each verse.

Esau was the first child created by Isaac.
Israel is the first nation created by God to serve Him.
David is the first King that was created by Jehovah to be shown such lovingkindness and faithfulness as Jehovah showed David.
Again, Ephraim is Israel. Israel was the first nation to be created by God to be His friend. No other nation came close.

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations.

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations.

Never heard of these Bibles, but I am interested in the publishers, I'll look them up and get back to you.

[onewithhim]

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations.

Never heard of these Bibles, but I am interested in the publishers, I'll look them up and get back to you.

What difference does it make---"through" or "by"? Both can be applied to what Jesus was involved with. His ability to create was given to him by his Father, so Jesus was the means by which God, the Father, created everything.

BTW, The New American Bible uses the word "through," as does the NASB, the Revised Standard Version, and I see it in Young's Literal Translation. In all of them it is said: "because in him were all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him and for him, have been created." (Young's)

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

You wrote, "World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations. BTW, The New American Bible uses the word "through," as does the NASB, the Revised Standard Version, and I see it in Young's Literal Translation. In all of them it is said: "because in him were all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him and for him, have been created." (Young's)

The Green and Youngs Bible focuses on Environmental issues, whatever that means. The World English Bible is without a copywrite, not sure what that would imply. All the other Bibles you mention have their foundation based on the A. and B. manuscripts, and as I said before, the A. when found had over 10,000 changes made to it by an unknown hand. It's dated to the time the Arian doctrine was being promoted, the 4th century.

You wrote, "What difference does it make---"through" or "by"? Both can be applied to what Jesus was involved with. His ability to create was given to him by his Father, so Jesus was the means by which God, the Father, created everything."

When I see the word "through" I think of spaghetti being drained of its water through a calendar, or coffee being filtered as it's brewing.

I see a novel, and I ask, "Who is that by? The answer, "It's by Dickens" not through Dickens. Who created? It was created by Jesus Christ, not through Jesus Christ. Through sounds as if the Father used Jesus as a filter to create the heaven and earth. Anyway, that's how I understand the words.

[SiNcE_1985]

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Sry for the late response, but I had to quell a certain evolution rebellion.

Esau was the first child created by Isaac.

Israel is the first nation created by God to serve Him.

David is the first King that was created by Jehovah to be shown such lovingkindness and faithfulness as Jehovah showed David.

Again, Ephraim is Israel. Israel was the first nation to be created by God to be His friend. No other nation came close.

Ephraim was one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

But the point is, you clearly see that firstborn doesn't always necessarily mean "first created", or "first in succession", correct?

In fact, of the 4 examples above, only one means "firstborn" in the sense of "first one born".

So, the question, or so it seems, is in what way is "firstborn" used in Col 1:15.

Isn't that the question?

[onewithhim]

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

You wrote, "World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations. BTW, The New American Bible uses the word "through," as does the NASB, the Revised Standard Version, and I see it in Young's Literal Translation. In all of them it is said: "because in him were all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him and for him, have been created." (Young's)

The Green and Youngs Bible focuses on Environmental issues, whatever that means. The World English Bible is without a copywrite, not sure what that would imply. All the other Bibles you mention have their foundation based on the A. and B. manuscripts, and as I said before, the A. when found had over 10,000 changes made to it by an unknown hand. It's dated to the time the Arian doctrine was being promoted, the 4th century.

You wrote, "What difference does it make---"through" or "by"? Both can be applied to what Jesus was involved with. His ability to create was given to him by his Father, so Jesus was the means by which God, the Father, created everything."

When I see the word "through" I think of spaghetti being drained of its water through a calendar, or coffee being filtered as it's brewing.

I see a novel, and I ask, "Who is that by? The answer, "It's by Dickens" not through Dickens. Who created? It was created by Jesus Christ, not through Jesus Christ. Through sounds as if the Father used Jesus as a filter to create the heaven and earth. Anyway, that's how I understand the words.

It says "onewithhim wrote," yet nothing appears that I supposedly wrote.

If I see a novel and I ask for the author, it could be by Dickens through the publisher. That's how I understand it.

[onewithhim]

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

You wrote, "World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations. BTW, The New American Bible uses the word "through," as does the NASB, the Revised Standard Version, and I see it in Young's Literal Translation. In all of them it is said: "because in him were all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him and for him, have been created." (Young's)

The Green and Youngs Bible focuses on Environmental issues, whatever that means. The World English Bible is without a copywrite, not sure what that would imply. All the other Bibles you mention have their foundation based on the A. and B. manuscripts, and as I said before, the A. when found had over 10,000 changes made to it by an unknown hand. It's dated to the time the Arian doctrine was being promoted, the 4th century.

You wrote, "What difference does it make---"through" or "by"? Both can be applied to what Jesus was involved with. His ability to create was given to him by his Father, so Jesus was the means by which God, the Father, created everything."

When I see the word "through" I think of spaghetti being drained of its water through a calendar, or coffee being filtered as it's brewing.

I see a novel, and I ask, "Who is that by? The answer, "It's by Dickens" not through Dickens. Who created? It was created by Jesus Christ, not through Jesus Christ. Through sounds as if the Father used Jesus as a filter to create the heaven and earth. Anyway, that's how I understand the words.

Onewithhim says:

(It says "onewithhim wrote," yet nothing appears that I supposedly wrote.)

If I see a novel and I ask for the author, it could be by Dickens through the publisher. That's how I understand it.

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...All things have been created through him...
Col. 1:14-16

Correction, only the N.W.T. used the phrase "Through him." All other Bibles published say, "For BY him were all things created." Verse 14, "We have redemption THROUGH his (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

World English Bible, Green's and Young's literals use the word through. And many other translations have the word also, including many Finnish translations.

Never heard of these Bibles, but I am interested in the publishers, I'll look them up and get back to you.

What difference does it make---"through" or "by"? Both can be applied to what Jesus was involved with. His ability to create was given to him by his Father, so Jesus was the means by which God, the Father, created everything.

BTW, The New American Bible uses the word "through," as does the NASB, the Revised Standard Version, and I see it in Young's Literal Translation. In all of them it is said: "because in him were all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him and for him, have been created." (Young's)

I have written this a dozen times. All the Bibles you mentioned above use the same two corrupted manuscripts: the Codex Alexandrinus known as the A. and the Vatican MS 1209 known as the B. You should understand that's why they read the same way. The A has had over 15,000 changes made to it. 10,000 when found in the early 19th century, and another 5000 by Wescott and Hort. Why in the world would anyone who is serious about the truth use documents that have been corrupted?

[onewithhim]

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Sry for the late response, but I had to quell a certain evolution rebellion.

Esau was the first child created by Isaac.

Israel is the first nation created by God to serve Him.

David is the first King that was created by Jehovah to be shown such lovingkindness and faithfulness as Jehovah showed David.

Again, Ephraim is Israel. Israel was the first nation to be created by God to be His friend. No other nation came close.

Ephraim was one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

But the point is, you clearly see that firstborn doesn't always necessarily mean "first created", or "first in succession", correct?

In fact, of the 4 examples above, only one means "firstborn" in the sense of "first one born".

So, the question, or so it seems, is in what way is "firstborn" used in Col 1:15.

Isn't that the question?

I understand that as the dominant tribe of the northern kingdom, Ephraim came to stand for the entire ten-tribe kingdom. (2Ch 25:7; Jer 7:15)

Yes, I see all of your examples as the first one born or created.