My, God, my God, why?

[placebofactor]

The following will likely open a can of worms. But it’s a subject that must be fully understood, not through the eyes of commentators or religious organizations, but understood by the authority of the Holy Spirit. Before you answer, consider all the details that led up to this moment.

It concerns Matthew 27:46. We find Jesus hanging from the cross, looking down at a mob of Jews, Gentiles, and religious leaders who hated him. These were people he taught, healed, and fed. Before he died, he made two statements. The first,

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” The word forsaken means to abandon completely, to turn one’s back on someone, and walk away.

His last words are found in Luke 23:46, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” Then his spirit left him.

There appear to be two strikingly different statements coming from a dying man, a man who had just suffered the excruciating pain of the cross. Here’s the question: When Jesus said, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” was he speaking to his Father, or to those who were spitting on him, and mocking him? These were the same people he walked with for 3 ½ years, fed, healed, and showed many signs and wonders to.
Your thoughts.

[JehovahsWitness]

... here in America you will hear the expression "My God, I don't believe it!" Or "My God, why did you do that?" Or "My God, did you see that?" or, in disbelief people will say, My God, no!? and a thousand expressions like that.

So you are saying it was an emotional exclamation , so even though he said the words "my God" he was NOT calling the person(s) his God. Correct?

JOHN 20:28

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God

[placebofactor]

... here in America you will hear the expression "My God, I don't believe it!" Or "My God, why did you do that?" Or "My God, did you see that?" or, in disbelief people will say, My God, no!? and a thousand expressions like that.

So you are saying it was an emotional exclamation , so even though he said the words "my God" he was NOT calling the person(s) his God. Correct?

JOHN 20:28

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God

Yes! And probably an exclamation of disappointment.

[JehovahsWitness]

So you are saying it was an emotional exclamation , so even though he said the words "my God" he was NOT calling the person(s) his God. Correct?

Yes! ...

While I'm not convinced that is a explanation for Jesus' death cry, I welcome that you accept that saying the words "my god" might not in fact mean the person present is being called God, so can your interpretation not also apply to John 20v28?

JOHN 20:28

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God

[Rxlx]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #4]

Jesus couldn't have meant the theif would with him that day as Jesus was definitely dead in his grave for two full days.

Jesus didn't return to heaven for 40 days.

That thief is still in his grave but is assured he will be resurrected to reunite briefly with Jesus on Judgment Day.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #4]

Jesus couldn't have meant the theif would with him that day as Jesus was definitely dead in his grave for two full days.

Jesus didn't return to heaven for 40 days.

That thief is still in his grave but is assured he will be resurrected to reunite briefly with Jesus on Judgment Day.

Here in lies your problem: Yes, both Jesus' body and the thief's body remained in the grave, but man's soul and spirit are what the Lord meant when he said "this day you shall be with me in paradise." I did an article about the Lord descending into hell before his resurrection and his ascended into heaven. Jesus' spirit, the glorified Jesus without flesh descended into hell 1 Peter 3:19, "he went and preached unto the spirits in prison:"

Then, the first thing he did when his body was raised from the dead, incorruptible and immortal and stood outside the tomb, and when Mary tried to touch him, she was told, "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:"

Why, because he had to present himself clean of any human contact to the Father. Had Mary touched him, he would have been unclean. Between the time he said "touch me not" to Mary, that same day, Verse 19, after he presented himself to his Father in heaven, a Lamb and High Priest who entered into the Holy of Holies in heaven, washed of all uncleanness, he returned to earth and showed himself to his disciples in a closed room. In the room, he told Thomas to touch his side, as opposed to telling Mary hours before, "Touch me not.

If you don't get over the teaching that man is not composed of a body, a soul, and a spirit, any further explanation of the rest of the story will make no sense to you. It's your choice.

[Verily]

The following will likely open a can of worms. But it’s a subject that must be fully understood, not through the eyes of commentators or religious organizations, but understood by the authority of the Holy Spirit. Before you answer, consider all the details that led up to this moment.

It concerns Matthew 27:46. We find Jesus hanging from the cross, looking down at a mob of Jews, Gentiles, and religious leaders who hated him. These were people he taught, healed, and fed. Before he died, he made two statements. The first,

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” The word forsaken means to abandon completely, to turn one’s back on someone, and walk away.

His last words are found in Luke 23:46, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” Then his spirit left him.

There appear to be two strikingly different statements coming from a dying man, a man who had just suffered the excruciating pain of the cross. Here’s the question: When Jesus said, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” was he speaking to his Father, or to those who were spitting on him, and mocking him? These were the same people he walked with for 3 ½ years, fed, healed, and showed many signs and wonders to.
Your thoughts.

Interesting question. The people definitely forsook Christ, however thou is singular, and the Psalm he quotes is directed at God. I suppose you could interpret Christ as directing that well known Psalm at the mob. I never thought of it that way.

[JehovahsWitness]

Interesting question. The people definitely forsook Christ, however thou is singular, and the Psalm he quotes is directed at God. I suppose you could interpret Christ as directing that well known Psalm at the mob. I never thought of it that way.

May I ask why you pointed out that the "thou" (you) Jesus uttered was singular and why did you point out that the Psalm he quoted from was directed at God? What bearing do those two facts have on the queston as to whom Jesus was talking?

[Perspectivo]

Interesting question. The people definitely forsook Christ, however thou is singular, and the Psalm he quotes is directed at God. I suppose you could interpret Christ as directing that well known Psalm at the mob. I never thought of it that way.

May I ask why you pointed out that the "thou" (you) Jesus uttered was singular and why did you point out that the Psalm he quoted from was directed at God? What bearing do those two facts have on the queston as to whom Jesus was talking?

The greek ( you ) is singular. Would a crowd be referred to in the singular? Would a crowd be called god? Seems odd. Maybe Jesus was talking to Pilate: My god Pilate, my god Pilate, why have you crucified me?

[theophile]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

If God was there, Jesus would have been saved. So God clearly wasn't there. God literally forsook Jesus. Left him to suffer and die like Job was left to suffer before Jesus.

So it is God who Jesus is addressing here just as it is God who Job addresses in his story.

The good news for Job is that God shows up. Jesus' words fall only upon the empty place in the crowd where his deliverer should be standing.

[Capbook]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

If God was there, Jesus would have been saved. So God clearly wasn't there. God literally forsook Jesus. Left him to suffer and die like Job was left to suffer before Jesus.

So it is God who Jesus is addressing here just as it is God who Job addresses in his story.

The good news for Job is that God shows up. Jesus' words fall only upon the empty place in the crowd where his deliverer should be standing.

I beg to dis-agree, the Father was there, but withdrawn His protection the moment Jesus drank that cup.
God the Father was present at the cross veiled by the supernatural darkness.

1 Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2 Chr 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?