What do JWs know?

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I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.

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If you do some shopping and see a thing far from you or maybe 10 meters from you, do you say "this one" pointing to that 10 meter distance thing?

1 JOHN 5:20

1 JOHN 5:20 NWT

But we know that the Son of God has come,+ and he has given us insight* so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true,+ by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.+

"Although it is certainly possible that houtos refers back to Jesus Christ, several converging lines of evidence point to 'the true one,' God the Father, as the probable antecedent. This position, houtos = God [Father], is held by many commentators, authors of general studies, and significantly, by those grammarians who express an opinion on the matter." - p. 253, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992.

I am referring to the "this one" after the name of Jesus Christ. I colored red. Whom is mentioned as the true God and life eternal.

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[JehovahsWitness]

I am referring to the "this one" after the name of Jesus Christ. I colored red. Whom is mentioned as the true God and life eternal.

I know, "this one" refers to the Father (JEOVAH) not the Son. ( see commentary See post #151 above )

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To whom does "this one" [Greek "houtos"]refer in 1 John 5:20?
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1 JOHN 5:20 "... we are in union"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 38#p813238

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I am referring to the "this one" after the name of Jesus Christ. I colored red. Whom is mentioned as the true God and life eternal.

I know, "this one" refers to the Father (JEOVAH) not the Son. ( see commentary above)

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To whom does "this one" refer in 1 John 5:20?
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The Father was referred as "the one" twice.
It seems that the "this one" grammatically refers to the other one nearer to the phrase, as the nearest antecedent whom is Jesus Christ.

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...It seems that the "this one" grammatically refers to the other one nearer to the phrase, as the nearest antecedent whom is Jesus Christ.

Not necessarily - see the commentary in post #151 CLICK HERE

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Does the NWT contain the "this one" in the last phrase of 1 John 5:20?

It doesn't have to? The NWT is NOT a literal {word for word} translation; the translators endeavor to translate the ideas and thoughts of the writers of the original text. In 1 John 5:20 the writer is obviouly refering to the Father so the translation reflects that idea with the English words and phrasing they see as most appropriate.

Note point #4 of the "mission statement" in the NWT appendix

Communicate the correct sense of a word or a phrase when a literal rendering would distort or obscure the meaning.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... anslation/

JW


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To whom does "this one" [Greek "houtos"]refer in 1 John 5:20?
viewtopic.php?p=1164982#p1164982

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Does the NWT contain the "this one" in the last phrase of 1 John 5:20?

It doesn't have to? The NWT is NOT a literal {word for word} translation; the translators endeavor to translate the ideas and thoughts of the writers of the original text. In 1 John 5:20 the writer is obviouly refering to the Father so the translation reflects that idea with the English words and phrasing they see as most appropriate.

Note point #4 of the "mission statement" in the NWT appendix

Communicate the correct sense of a word or a phrase when a literal rendering would distort or obscure the meaning.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... anslation/

JW


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To whom does "this one" [Greek "houtos"]refer in 1 John 5:20?
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So, this is online statement is wrong?
Yes, "NWT" (New World Translation) is considered a "word-for-word" translation, meaning it aims to translate each word from the original language as directly as possible into the target language, often preserving the original sentence structure, making it a very literal translation of the Bible used by Jehovah's Witnesses.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+nwt+ ... e&ie=UTF-8