Clarifying questions for JW's

[Revelations won]

I have a few clarifying question for JW's as follows.

1. Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?

2. Do you claim that Jesus the Christd oes not now have a body of flesh and bones?

[servant1]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #50]


Hello, I am sure Onewithin has showed you in Peter where it says he was raised as a spirit. Bible facts= On the first day after being resurrected they did not recognize him, thus was not in his original body. And he as well appeared behind a locked door-flesh does not accomplish that.
But fact=He being Gods son and having 100% trust from his God and Father can appear as anyone he chooses at anytime including his original body which he showed to Thomas.

[Revelations won]

Dear servant1,

Thank you for your response.

Can you show what bible verses show that his spirit was resurrected?

Do you also deny that the resurrected Savior Jesus the Christ did not have a body of flesh and bone as he so clearly testified as quoted in my post #50?

[onewithhim]

Dear servant1,

Thank you for your response.

Can you show what bible verses show that his spirit was resurrected?

Do you also deny that the resurrected Savior Jesus the Christ did not have a body of flesh and bone as he so clearly testified as quoted in my post #50?

This has been thoroughly discussed in previous posts. Why go round and round again? It has been shown at I Peter 3:18: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive again in the spirit." (NASB)

I Corinthians 15:45 tells us: "It is even so written: 'The first man Adam became a living soul.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

Jesus did not have a body of flesh and bone, upon his resurrection. He materialized one when he went to see his disciples, upon going through a locked door. How would a physical body go through a locked door? Also, why would he take his physical body back after giving it up on the 'cross?' He sacrificed it for all time. If he took it back he would be an "Indian-giver." So to speak. We would still be in our sins. Bodies of flesh cannot inherit the kingdom in heaven. Not just "flesh and blood," but flesh and anything, whether it be blood or bone. (I Corinth. 15:50) Flesh is definitely not allowed to go into the spirit realm. It couldn't survive. Imagine being next to the One who made the sun!

[Revelations won]

Dear servant 1 and Onewithhim,

You try to skirt my question by using the NASB translation of the Bible.

The king James version reads thus:

I Peter 3:18: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive again in the spirit." (NASB)

KJV 1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Let us get this point very clear. Christ’s dearth consisted of the suffering unto death of his body of flesh, bone and and blood.

His Spirit body never died. Was never resurrected!

While his physical body was dead , his spirit body was very much alive and he went unto the disobedient spirits in prison and preached unto them.

You make the undocumented claim that he did not have a body of flesh and bone after he was resurrected. No where do the scriptures affirm that he momentarily (materialized a body of flesh and bone) when he met with the apostles, or when he challenged Thomas to thrust his hand into his side.

Your claim is simply a man made fabrication made by you o your scholars without any divine revelation from the Holy Ghost.

I find it pretty amazing that he who created to heavens and the earth, who also has ALL POWER in heaven and earth is unable to control the elements which would allow him to pass through a door or wall!.

As I understand it all things are possible with God. You apparently deny this.

According to scripture Christ received ALL that the Father hath. So according to your witness both Christ and God the Father do NOT have infinite power!

My, this is so sad to see that according to your private interpretation of the Bible that Christ and God the Father really do not have all power after all! Wow! This is incredible that without revelation and confirmation of the spirit of God you JW,s have discovered this weakness and lack of all, power in the God you worship…….Can you clearly identify this JW that discovered this inability of the Almighty?

[onewithhim]

Dear servant 1 and Onewithhim,

You try to skirt my question by using the NASB translation of the Bible.

The king James version reads thus:

I Peter 3:18: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive again in the spirit." (NASB)

KJV 1 Peter 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Let us get this point very clear. Christ’s dearth consisted of the suffering unto death of his body of flesh, bone and and blood.

His Spirit body never died. Was never resurrected!

A person doesn't have a spirit body inside them. The spirit is Jehovah's active force that makes things be alive. Paul said that people who are anointed and going to heaven are changed, they didn't already have a spirit body, but when they are resurrected they are changed to a spirit body. "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (I Corinth.15:52) He doesn't say anything about a spirit body coming out of the physical one. He says that the corruptible must put on incorruption. (Vs. 54) It is something that a person doesn't already have.

If Christ's "spirit body" never died, then his sacrifice was in vain. He didn't really die for our sins, and we are still in our sins. This point is very clear.

Christ became a life-giving spirit, he didn't leave his physical body in a spirit body. He turned into something that he wasn't before he died. (I Corinth.15:45)

[Capbook]

The problem might be that your interpretation of John 2:19-21 is wrong.

I'm happy to read any evidence that is non-circular proving your claim but as yet you have not presented anything.

I quote Bible text, is Jesus words wrong to you?

Jhn 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Jhn 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again

I have explained those words with scripture. I think there is no point in continuing this exchange.

Please have an excellent and most wonderful evening.


JW

Yes, you have explained with cut texts that hardly support your interpretation.

Have a good and wonderful day.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, you have explained with cut texts that hardly support your interpretation.

Have a good and wonderful day.

On the contrary, I have supported what I have said with scripture. But try and have a most excellent and fabulous day.


JW

[Capbook]

Yes, you have explained with cut texts that hardly support your interpretation.

Have a good and wonderful day.

On the contrary, I have supported what I have said with scripture. But try and have a most excellent and fabulous day.


JW

Good day to you also. Hope you could study the Scriptures by interpreting Bible text by Bible text with no man contribution that we may fall guilty to eisegesis.

[JehovahsWitness]

Good day to you also. Hope you could study the Scriptures by interpreting Bible text by Bible text with no man contribution that we may fall guilty to eisegesis.

Thank you. Since YOU are a man I will begin following your advice by rejecting all YOUR contributions.

Enjoy!


JW

[onewithhim]

Yes, you have explained with cut texts that hardly support your interpretation.

Have a good and wonderful day.

On the contrary, I have supported what I have said with scripture. But try and have a most excellent and fabulous day.


JW

Good day to you also. Hope you could study the Scriptures by interpreting Bible text by Bible text with no man contribution that we may fall guilty to eisegesis.

"Man contribution" is not necessary to arriving at conclusions. I (and I'm sure JW also) have not interpreted Bible text according to men's ideas. We have studied the Scriptures ourselves and come to conclusions on our own. We think for ourselves. Is that something you also do? Or are you stuck like glue to your Lexicons and are unable to form your own conclusions per the verses themselves?