Christians think the meek inherit the earth but in truth the meek shall inherit the land.
Christians misunderstand scripture!
If you wish to inherit the land you must be freed by the son and walk in the law of the LORD.
The land is not the earth either.
Do you or have you ever walked in the law of the LORD?
The meek inherit ?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #71The point is, Revelation 21:8 the lake of fire or fire that would burn the ungodly like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had suffered, which also turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes would also likely to happen to the first earth. That what apostle John saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and first earth were to passed away. (Rev 21:1)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:13 amThey were turned to ashes. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:32 pmWas Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pm
The "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 word, "abideth" in Hebrew "amad" means to stand, remain.
Though the earth would turned to ashes just like Sodom and Gomorrah but the land where the two cities stands remain.
God said to John, "I make all things new, for these words are true and faithful." (Rev 21:5)
עמד ‛âmad
BDB Definition:
1) to stand, remain, endure, take one’s stand
Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever..
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #72Well, if you agree that the earth "abideth forever," then it wouldn't be burned up, would it?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:46 pmThe point is, Revelation 21:8 the lake of fire or fire that would burn the ungodly like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had suffered, which also turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes would also likely to happen to the first earth. That what apostle John saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and first earth were to passed away. (Rev 21:1)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:13 amThey were turned to ashes. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:32 pmWas Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 word, "abideth" in Hebrew "amad" means to stand, remain.
Though the earth would turned to ashes just like Sodom and Gomorrah but the land where the two cities stands remain.
God said to John, "I make all things new, for these words are true and faithful." (Rev 21:5)
עמד ‛âmad
BDB Definition:
1) to stand, remain, endure, take one’s stand
Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever..
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #73Well, if the earth would be burnt up, the earth (land) is still there it will not vanish.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:47 amWell, if you agree that the earth "abideth forever," then it wouldn't be burned up, would it?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:46 pmThe point is, Revelation 21:8 the lake of fire or fire that would burn the ungodly like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had suffered, which also turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes would also likely to happen to the first earth. That what apostle John saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and first earth were to passed away. (Rev 21:1)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:13 amThey were turned to ashes. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:32 pmWas Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 word, "abideth" in Hebrew "amad" means to stand, remain.
Though the earth would turned to ashes just like Sodom and Gomorrah but the land where the two cities stands remain.
God said to John, "I make all things new, for these words are true and faithful." (Rev 21:5)
עמד ‛âmad
BDB Definition:
1) to stand, remain, endure, take one’s stand
Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever..
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
That is why God will make all things new, new heaven and new earth without the presence of the enemy.
While the ungodly when burnt up, they will be turned to ashes (vanish).
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Post #74That is true. It is the ungodly that will be destroyed, not the actual land.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:05 pmWell, if the earth would be burnt up, the earth (land) is still there it will not vanish.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:47 amWell, if you agree that the earth "abideth forever," then it wouldn't be burned up, would it?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:46 pmThe point is, Revelation 21:8 the lake of fire or fire that would burn the ungodly like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had suffered, which also turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes would also likely to happen to the first earth. That what apostle John saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and first earth were to passed away. (Rev 21:1)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:13 amThey were turned to ashes. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:32 pmWas Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pm
And new earth is not land?
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 word, "abideth" in Hebrew "amad" means to stand, remain.
Though the earth would turned to ashes just like Sodom and Gomorrah but the land where the two cities stands remain.
God said to John, "I make all things new, for these words are true and faithful." (Rev 21:5)
עמד ‛âmad
BDB Definition:
1) to stand, remain, endure, take one’s stand
Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever..
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
That is why God will make all things new, new heaven and new earth without the presence of the enemy.
While the ungodly when burnt up, they will be turned to ashes (vanish).
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Post #75Yes, the ungodly vanish but not the land though affected by the fire.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:26 pmThat is true. It is the ungodly that will be destroyed, not the actual land.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:05 pmWell, if the earth would be burnt up, the earth (land) is still there it will not vanish.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:47 amWell, if you agree that the earth "abideth forever," then it wouldn't be burned up, would it?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:46 pmThe point is, Revelation 21:8 the lake of fire or fire that would burn the ungodly like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had suffered, which also turned Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes would also likely to happen to the first earth. That what apostle John saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and first earth were to passed away. (Rev 21:1)onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:13 amThey were turned to ashes. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:32 pmWas Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pm
The new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 word, "abideth" in Hebrew "amad" means to stand, remain.
Though the earth would turned to ashes just like Sodom and Gomorrah but the land where the two cities stands remain.
God said to John, "I make all things new, for these words are true and faithful." (Rev 21:5)
עמד ‛âmad
BDB Definition:
1) to stand, remain, endure, take one’s stand
Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever..
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
That is why God will make all things new, new heaven and new earth without the presence of the enemy.
While the ungodly when burnt up, they will be turned to ashes (vanish).
That is why God make all things new, new heaven and new earth.