Christians think the meek inherit the earth but in truth the meek shall inherit the land.
Christians misunderstand scripture!
If you wish to inherit the land you must be freed by the son and walk in the law of the LORD.
The land is not the earth either.
Do you or have you ever walked in the law of the LORD?
The meek inherit ?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #61So, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pmUh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 am [Replying to John17_3 in post #52]
Furthering the OP's sentiments: It's a wonderful thought to me that God has created this planet for us to live on (Isaiah 45:18) and his plans for us have not changed, even though Adam disobeyed. We get to live on this earth forever, in paradise conditions! Is this not a fantastic future for humans? Imagine---cocktails by the pool....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #62Christians do not misunderstand. In the Greek "land" and "earth" are the same word. When a verse says that the meek shall inherit the land, of course that means they will inherit the earth. Earth=land.
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Post #63I believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pmUh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 am [Replying to John17_3 in post #52]
Furthering the OP's sentiments: It's a wonderful thought to me that God has created this planet for us to live on (Isaiah 45:18) and his plans for us have not changed, even though Adam disobeyed. We get to live on this earth forever, in paradise conditions! Is this not a fantastic future for humans? Imagine---cocktails by the pool....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #64There is not onewithinhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithinhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pmUh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 am [Replying to John17_3 in post #52]
Furthering the OP's sentiments: It's a wonderful thought to me that God has created this planet for us to live on (Isaiah 45:18) and his plans for us have not changed, even though Adam disobeyed. We get to live on this earth forever, in paradise conditions! Is this not a fantastic future for humans? Imagine---cocktails by the pool....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Post #65Thanks typo.slowrider wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:42 pmThere is not onewithinhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithinhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pmUh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 am [Replying to John17_3 in post #52]
Furthering the OP's sentiments: It's a wonderful thought to me that God has created this planet for us to live on (Isaiah 45:18) and his plans for us have not changed, even though Adam disobeyed. We get to live on this earth forever, in paradise conditions! Is this not a fantastic future for humans? Imagine---cocktails by the pool....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
I just want to know onewithhim's reply to the question below.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #66You did not get it.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:12 pmThanks typo.slowrider wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:42 pmThere is not onewithinhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithinhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pm
Uh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
I just want to know onewithhim's reply to the question below.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Post #67I did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pmUh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 am [Replying to John17_3 in post #52]
Furthering the OP's sentiments: It's a wonderful thought to me that God has created this planet for us to live on (Isaiah 45:18) and his plans for us have not changed, even though Adam disobeyed. We get to live on this earth forever, in paradise conditions! Is this not a fantastic future for humans? Imagine---cocktails by the pool....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #68Was Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pmUh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 am [Replying to John17_3 in post #52]
Furthering the OP's sentiments: It's a wonderful thought to me that God has created this planet for us to live on (Isaiah 45:18) and his plans for us have not changed, even though Adam disobeyed. We get to live on this earth forever, in paradise conditions! Is this not a fantastic future for humans? Imagine---cocktails by the pool....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #69They were turned to ashes. What is your point?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:32 pmWas Sodom and Gomorrah part of earth or land not destroyed or turned to ashes?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:42 pmI did answer that. I said that in some cases the "earth" means the actual land. However, at Revelation 21 it speaks of "the former heavens and the former earth had passed away." We know that the heavens are not going to be destroyed, by sheer logic, and so it must mean the former governmental arrangements set up by men. So, too, would the "earth" mean something other than actual land. The earth will not be destroyed (Ecclesiastes 1:4), but only the wickedness in societies will be "uncovered" and done away with.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:19 pmI believe you missed to answer my question above onewithhim.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:37 pmSo, what I quoted above Rev 21:1-6, new earth as land and not human society.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:39 pmThe new earth does have the meaning of land. Jehovah will renew the earth, cleaning it up to its original pristine beauty. There is also a double meaning. The earth will be a new population of God-loving people, with all the wicked gone. The "heavens" will be a new government, God's Kingdom by Christ. The heavens wouldn't mean a new universe with all the trillions of stars and planets being destroyed. So the meanings of a new society of people and a new government are what makes sense.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:52 pmAnd new earth is not land?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:13 pmThat is correct. We must look at the word in context.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:44 pmSo, those verses you've quoted above does not interpret earth as human society then?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:26 pmThe "land" and the "earth" are the same. Living forever on the "land" is the same as saying we can live forever on the earth. The words for both are the same in the Hebrew. For example, in Psalm 37:11 it says that the meek will inherit the "earth." In Psalm 37:29 the exact same word is translated by the King James translators as "land." Both are the same word in Hebrew, as I see in the Interlinear Bible translated by J.P. Green. The King James translators thought it correct to render the "earth" at Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 6:10 as "earth" because that is what Jesus meant, according to the Interlinear Bible in Greek, and according to the context.John17_3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:36 pm
Uh... No spirits for me, and I certainly won't be chewing on no cock tails....but yes, the earth is beautiful.
I can just see it now, when there is no pollution, and there is just purity everywhere.
Can you imagine God making worlds more beautiful than earth?
The universe is vast, but it's probably best I don't let my imagination run wild.![]()
The important thing is to qualify as one of the meek ones, that will inherit the earth, and delight themselves in abundant peace, forever. Psalm 37:11
Did jesus mean to say, the land, instead of the earth? Matthew 5:5; Matthew 6:10
Perhaps he made an error.
Through context, as God make all things new(Rev 21:5), new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1), if earth is human society, how would God give the fountain of the water of life?(Rev 21:6)
Can a fountain Greek word "pege" defined as spring, not from the land?
Or you have another meaning of fountain in lexicon?
πηγή pēgē
Thayer Definition:
1) fountain, spring
2) a well fed by a spring
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Where in the book Revelation that new earth as human society?
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Re: The meek inherit ?
Post #70[Replying to Capbook in post #65]
Prov 2:21-22 assures some will never leave this earth. They get this promise-Matt 5:5--Psalm 37:29
Prov 2:21-22 assures some will never leave this earth. They get this promise-Matt 5:5--Psalm 37:29