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Concerning Jesus return

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The following question is difficult for me to ask because of a hundred little details connected to it.  
I believe the time of Jesus' return has been hidden in the book of Daniel and Hosea for several thousand years and is only now to be revealed.

I believe Jesus Christ is the God of Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” To support that I use the following.
Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.”

Hebrews 1:10 states that he laid the foundation of the earth and heavens.

Colossians 1:16, "By him were all things created." With that said, we know without doubt that Jesus Christ is God.

Philippians 2:7-8, tells us He had taken on “the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself --.” With Hebrews 2:9, he “was made a little lower than the angels--.”
But after his resurrection, he was given the glory he had with the Father before the world was, John 17:5. God is said to be all-knowing, yet in Mark 14:32, Jesus said concerning his return, “Of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

Because God is all-knowing, it appears his words limit his understanding. So, my question is, did this change after his resurrection? Did he again receive the glory he once had, ‘all-knowing?’ John 17:5. After he was taken into heaven, the Father gave him the Holy Spirit. Jesus then sent him to us. Nothing in scripture tells us the Holy Spirit did not have this information. If he does, are any new revelations ready to be made known? Or has the whole story been told?

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placebofactor wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:36 pm
My Bible is a Red-Letter addition, meaning whatever is in Red is being spoken by Jesus.
Did Jesus colour your bible red or would that have been an imperfect human that did the colouring?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:42 pm
placebofactor wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:36 pm
My Bible is a Red-Letter addition, meaning whatever is in Red is being spoken by Jesus.
Did Jesus colour your bible red or would that have been an imperfect human that did the colouring?
Come on, be nice. Your organization used the K.J.B. from its conception until 1951 when they decided the K.J.B. disagreed with too many of their teaching. Look it up!

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placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 10:17 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:42 pm
placebofactor wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:36 pm
My Bible is a Red-Letter addition, meaning whatever is in Red is being spoken by Jesus.
Did Jesus colour your bible red or would that have been an imperfect human that did the colouring?
Come on, be nice. ...

Did you answer my question? The point being, I have nothing against the colour red but to point to "colouring" as proof regarding speaker identification in a bible text rather than the context and content of the divine text itself proves nothinv but the opinion of the one(s) doing the colouring, a distraction at the very least.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:07 am
placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 10:17 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:42 pm
placebofactor wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:36 pm
My Bible is a Red-Letter addition, meaning whatever is in Red is being spoken by Jesus.
Did Jesus colour your bible red or would that have been an imperfect human that did the colouring?
Come on, be nice. ...

Did you answer my question? The point being, I have nothing against the colour red but to point to "colouring" as proof regarding speaker identification in a bible text rather than the context and content of the divine text itself proves nothinv but the opinion of the one(s) doing the colouring, a distraction at the very least.


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The N.W.T. is the new kid on the block, they changed the words to fit their agenda, I didn't.

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placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:13 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:07 am


Did you answer my question? The point being, I have nothing against the colour red but to point to "colouring" as proof regarding speaker identification in a bible text rather than the context and content of the divine text itself proves nothinv but the opinion of the one(s) doing the colouring, a distraction at the very least.


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I see no argumentation based to the context or the content of the scripture under discussion. Do you have anything constructive to add apart from colouring?




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JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:17 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:13 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:07 am


Did you answer my question? The point being, I have nothing against the colour red but to point to "colouring" as proof regarding speaker identification in a bible text rather than the context and content of the divine text itself proves nothinv but the opinion of the one(s) doing the colouring, a distraction at the very least.


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I see no argumentation based to the context or the content of the scripture under discussion. Do you have anything constructive to add apart from colouring?




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placebofactor wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:55 am Jesus is speaking in Revelation 22:7-12-13-16. These are his words.
May I point out there is a difference between stating your opinion and proving your opinion is biblically correct. You point2d out that certain translators attribute certain words to Christ, I am asking you to present the reasoning behind such a conclusion. Can you do that?
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onewithhim wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:54 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:26 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:38 pm
placebofactor wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:33 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #7]

onewithhim thanks for your comments. You wrote, "You missed our extensive discussion about the Alpha and Omega."

Before we begin, would you please quote exactly from the Bible you're using the following two verses.

Revelation 1:1

And Revelation 1:8, then I will know better how to discuss this matter with you.
I use all versions of the Bible, but the main one is the New World Translation because it is the most accurate (see Truth in Translation by Jason David BeDuhn, 2003, pages 164,165).

In this version Revelation 1:1 says: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

Revelation 1:8: "'I am the Alpha and Omega,' says Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'"
If NWT is accurate why it doesn't follow the original Greek text of John 1:1?
Why do the Almighty Father said, I am the first and the last, as you believe Jesus is the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
The original Greek text says: "and the Word was a god." See The Emphatic Diaglott by B. Wilson.

The Father said that He was "Alpha and Omega." Jesus said he was the "first and the last." They are different words to describe God and Jesus.
Yes, but what is the reason why the Father called Himself as the first and the last in Rev 22:13?

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placebofactor wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:34 pm Concerning Jesus return
He is here with me, right now.

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slowrider wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:49 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:34 pm Concerning Jesus return
He is here with me, right now.
Is He visible with you?

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