Concerning Jesus return

[placebofactor]

The following question is difficult for me to ask because of a hundred little details connected to it.  
I believe the time of Jesus' return has been hidden in the book of Daniel and Hosea for several thousand years and is only now to be revealed.

I believe Jesus Christ is the God of Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” To support that I use the following.
Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.”

Hebrews 1:10 states that he laid the foundation of the earth and heavens.

Colossians 1:16, "By him were all things created." With that said, we know without doubt that Jesus Christ is God.

Philippians 2:7-8, tells us He had taken on “the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself --.” With Hebrews 2:9, he “was made a little lower than the angels--.”
But after his resurrection, he was given the glory he had with the Father before the world was, John 17:5. God is said to be all-knowing, yet in Mark 14:32, Jesus said concerning his return, “Of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

Because God is all-knowing, it appears his words limit his understanding. So, my question is, did this change after his resurrection? Did he again receive the glory he once had, ‘all-knowing?’ John 17:5. After he was taken into heaven, the Father gave him the Holy Spirit. Jesus then sent him to us. Nothing in scripture tells us the Holy Spirit did not have this information. If he does, are any new revelations ready to be made known? Or has the whole story been told?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #7]

onewithhim thanks for your comments. You wrote, "You missed our extensive discussion about the Alpha and Omega."

Before we begin, would you please quote exactly from the Bible you're using the following two verses.

Revelation 1:1

And Revelation 1:8, then I will know better how to discuss this matter with you.

I use all versions of the Bible, but the main one is the New World Translation because it is the most accurate (see Truth in Translation by Jason David BeDuhn, 2003, pages 164,165).

In this version Revelation 1:1 says: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

Revelation 1:8: "'I am the Alpha and Omega,' says Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'"

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #7]

onewithhim thanks for your comments. You wrote, "You missed our extensive discussion about the Alpha and Omega."

Before we begin, would you please quote exactly from the Bible you're using the following two verses.

Revelation 1:1

And Revelation 1:8, then I will know better how to discuss this matter with you.

I use all versions of the Bible, but the main one is the New World Translation because it is the most accurate (see Truth in Translation by Jason David BeDuhn, 2003, pages 164,165).

In this version Revelation 1:1 says: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

Revelation 1:8: "'I am the Alpha and Omega,' says Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'"

If NWT is accurate why it doesn't follow the original Greek text of John 1:1?
Why do the Almighty Father said, I am the first and the last, as you believe Jesus is the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #5]

The K.J.B. declares, John 1:3, "All things were made by him."

N.W.T. "All things came into existence through him."

We know what by means. If I built a home, I would say, the home was built by Phil.

If I were a Witness, I would say, the home was built through him." What exactly do you mean when the creation came into existence through him? Is it like, when making spaghetti, you strain the water through a colander? Or if my helper painted a car, and someone asked me, "Who painted the car? would I say I painted the car through him? Or the car was painted by him?

If he spoke the words, "Let there be," then the creation was spoken into existence by Jesus, not through him. Please explain.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #5]

The K.J.B. declares, John 1:3, "All things were made by him."

N.W.T. "All things came into existence through him."

And what does the GREEK say?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #14]

You did not answer my question. What do you mean by "Through him?" Explain it. I can explain "By him," and people understand. Through him, makes no sense. How can you make something through someone? Explain.

[JehovahsWitness]

... the numbers in Daniel and Hosea can be applied to that fact.

Daniels "time prophecies" can be used to calculate the year kingdom rule begins but it cannot be used to calculate the year (or date) the system will end.

This is evident by the fact that , when asked specifically about the end of the world system Jesus reply was to look to world events rather that calculate from a code hidden in existing scripture.


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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #14]

You did not answer my question. What do you mean by "Through him?" ...

I think your question was directed at another poster but it is ultimately irrelevant. Any criticism of any translation MUST include reference to the original Greek to be taken seriously.

Everything else is just gravy.


JW

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #7]

onewithhim thanks for your comments. You wrote, "You missed our extensive discussion about the Alpha and Omega."

Before we begin, would you please quote exactly from the Bible you're using the following two verses.

Revelation 1:1

And Revelation 1:8, then I will know better how to discuss this matter with you.

I use all versions of the Bible, but the main one is the New World Translation because it is the most accurate (see Truth in Translation by Jason David BeDuhn, 2003, pages 164,165).

In this version Revelation 1:1 says: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

Revelation 1:8: "'I am the Alpha and Omega,' says Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'"

If NWT is accurate why it doesn't follow the original Greek text of John 1:1?
Why do the Almighty Father said, I am the first and the last, as you believe Jesus is the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)

The original Greek text says: "and the Word was a god." See The Emphatic Diaglott by B. Wilson.

The Father said that He was "Alpha and Omega." Jesus said he was the "first and the last." They are different words to describe God and Jesus.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #7]

onewithhim thanks for your comments. You wrote, "You missed our extensive discussion about the Alpha and Omega."

Before we begin, would you please quote exactly from the Bible you're using the following two verses.

Revelation 1:1

And Revelation 1:8, then I will know better how to discuss this matter with you.

I use all versions of the Bible, but the main one is the New World Translation because it is the most accurate (see Truth in Translation by Jason David BeDuhn, 2003, pages 164,165).

In this version Revelation 1:1 says: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

Revelation 1:8: "'I am the Alpha and Omega,' says Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'"

If NWT is accurate why it doesn't follow the original Greek text of John 1:1?
Why do the Almighty Father said, I am the first and the last, as you believe Jesus is the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)

The original Greek text says: "and the Word was a god." See The Emphatic Diaglott by B. Wilson.

The Father said that He was "Alpha and Omega." Jesus said he was the "first and the last." They are different words to describe God and Jesus.

The original Greek text does not say what you’ve said.
What you see below is, “and God was the word” and not what NWT said.

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[placebofactor]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #7]

onewithhim thanks for your comments. You wrote, "You missed our extensive discussion about the Alpha and Omega."

Before we begin, would you please quote exactly from the Bible you're using the following two verses.

Revelation 1:1

And Revelation 1:8, then I will know better how to discuss this matter with you.

I use all versions of the Bible, but the main one is the New World Translation because it is the most accurate (see Truth in Translation by Jason David BeDuhn, 2003, pages 164,165).

In this version Revelation 1:1 says: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John."

Revelation 1:8: "'I am the Alpha and Omega,' says Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.'"

If NWT is accurate why it doesn't follow the original Greek text of John 1:1?
Why do the Almighty Father said, I am the first and the last, as you believe Jesus is the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)

The original Greek text says: "and the Word was a god." See The Emphatic Diaglott by B. Wilson.

The Emphatic Diaglott is a Watchtower publication.

The Father said that He was "Alpha and Omega." Jesus said he was the "first and the last." They are different words to describe God and Jesus.

My Bible is a Red-Letter addition, meaning whatever is in Red is being spoken by Jesus. Jesus said, Revelation 1:8, "I" am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Add these words of John in Revelation 22:7-12-20, all in Red-Letter, Jesus is speaking, "Behold, I come quickly," Verse 12, "Behold I come quickly," Verse 20, "Surely I come quickly." In all three verses, "I" the personal pronoun is used in each of the verses. Compare "I" with me, and mine.