Does the Bible Actually Say Jesus Still Exists?

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: The Bible says Jesus came back from the dead. And there's a lot about what will happen, as far as Jesus forgiving people and resurrecting them, separating sheep from goats, giving out the rewards, and all that. Does it actually specify that he's still around to do so?

What counts as a lie?

What I'm actually wondering, is if we have a possible case where the vessel of forgiveness is indeed set, by God, as Jesus, but then God kills Jesus at some later point, wipes him out of existence, in order to promise, through Jesus, that everyone can be forgiven, but in reality nobody is forgiven and it doesn't technically count as a lie. I'm not arguing that this is necessarily true, it's a possible case scenario.

Is it possible God did this, because it neatly avoids actually lying while still being able to make a genuine promise, because the part of him that was Jesus meant every word, and then God gets to go back on it? Or is there something in Biblical canon that eliminates this possibility?

Another question I have here is about semantics. I happen to know someone who never lies, but nevertheless is very good at making sure he keeps every letter of his agreements in a way that advantages himself and the other person never would have agreed to if they'd known that would be the result. Then, he always says he is trustworthy. I mean, he is. He keeps the letter of his agreements. Is there a way to describe this behaviour and separate it from the type of trust you'd have for somebody who always keeps their word AND does it in a way that is fair to the other person, even if there's a way to take all and make the other person lose? In my head I'm calling them trustworthy1 (you will get what you expect; he will make sure he keeps the agreement AND is fair) and trustworthy2 (person won't lie, but you will not necessarily get what you expect). Are there better words for these concepts?

Is there a possibility that God is trustworthy1 to his own People, and trustworthy2 to everyone else?

[JehovahsWitness]

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

... what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

Biblically the holy spirit is God's active force ; it doesnt have a form. Being invisible to the human eye, God has in occassion indicated its presence with something that can ce seen (for example on Penticost 33 , those empowered with holy spirit had flamelike light above their heads, at Jesus baptism it wasn't a flame but a dove).

You can think of it as being like electricity (its not electricity, this is just an illustration). God being like the generator and his spirit* like the electricity. Like electricity or some other force, when applied it has an effect and can be used to animate move or achieve something.

* The bible speaks of it being "holy" when it is used for a special purpose connected with worship.


The source of this infinite power is Almighty God Jehovah Himself.

JOB 36:22
Look! God is exalted in his power; what instructor is like him?

PSALM 147:5
Our Lord is great and is mighty in power; His understanding is beyond measure.

NAHUM 1:3
Jehovah is slow to anger and great in power

JOB 9:4
He is wise in heart and mighty in power. Who can resist him and come off uninjured

What the Spirit's form where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
All that is a definition of person.
I just don't know if you consider your self as a "force" as what you have describe the Holy Spirit.

2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

πρόσωπον prosōpon
Thayer Definition:
1) the face
1a) the front of the human head
1b) countenance, look
1b1) the face so far forth as it is the organ of sight, and by it various movements and changes) the index of the inward thoughts and feelings.

All that is symbolism: personnification.


JW

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HOLY SPIRIT, SPIRIT and ... THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]

Yes it does, and if you don’t believe Jesus is the eternal I AM, you are lost. You will die in your sins just as He said.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

John 8:24
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:35
The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.

Matthew 28:20
teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

[Capbook]

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

... what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

Biblically the holy spirit is God's active force ; it doesnt have a form. Being invisible to the human eye, God has in occassion indicated its presence with something that can ce seen (for example on Penticost 33 , those empowered with holy spirit had flamelike light above their heads, at Jesus baptism it wasn't a flame but a dove).

You can think of it as being like electricity (its not electricity, this is just an illustration). God being like the generator and his spirit* like the electricity. Like electricity or some other force, when applied it has an effect and can be used to animate move or achieve something.

* The bible speaks of it being "holy" when it is used for a special purpose connected with worship.


The source of this infinite power is Almighty God Jehovah Himself.

JOB 36:22
Look! God is exalted in his power; what instructor is like him?

PSALM 147:5
Our Lord is great and is mighty in power; His understanding is beyond measure.

NAHUM 1:3
Jehovah is slow to anger and great in power

JOB 9:4
He is wise in heart and mighty in power. Who can resist him and come off uninjured

What the Spirit's form where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
All that is a definition of person.
I just don't know if you consider your self as a "force" as what you have describe the Holy Spirit.

2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

πρόσωπον prosōpon
Thayer Definition:
1) the face
1a) the front of the human head
1b) countenance, look
1b1) the face so far forth as it is the organ of sight, and by it various movements and changes) the index of the inward thoughts and feelings.

All that is symbolism: personnification.


JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HOLY SPIRIT, SPIRIT and ... THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD

Where in the Bible that describe it as personification?

[JehovahsWitness]

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

... what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

Biblically the holy spirit is God's active force ; it doesnt have a form. Being invisible to the human eye, God has in occassion indicated its presence with something that can ce seen (for example on Penticost 33 , those empowered with holy spirit had flamelike light above their heads, at Jesus baptism it wasn't a flame but a dove).

You can think of it as being like electricity (its not electricity, this is just an illustration). God being like the generator and his spirit* like the electricity. Like electricity or some other force, when applied it has an effect and can be used to animate move or achieve something.

* The bible speaks of it being "holy" when it is used for a special purpose connected with worship.


The source of this infinite power is Almighty God Jehovah Himself.

JOB 36:22
Look! God is exalted in his power; what instructor is like him?

PSALM 147:5
Our Lord is great and is mighty in power; His understanding is beyond measure.

NAHUM 1:3
Jehovah is slow to anger and great in power

JOB 9:4
He is wise in heart and mighty in power. Who can resist him and come off uninjured

What the Spirit's form where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
All that is a definition of person.
I just don't know if you consider your self as a "force" as what you have describe the Holy Spirit.

2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

πρόσωπον prosōpon
Thayer Definition:
1) the face
1a) the front of the human head
1b) countenance, look
1b1) the face so far forth as it is the organ of sight, and by it various movements and changes) the index of the inward thoughts and feelings.

All that is symbolism: personnification.


JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HOLY SPIRIT, SPIRIT and ... THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD

Where in the Bible that describe it as personification?

All the scriptures you mentioins are descriptions of personification.

[Capbook]

"SPIRIT" The Greek pneuma (spirit) comes from pneo, meaning "breath" or "blow." The Hebrew ruach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruach and pneuma, then, basically mean "breath." They can also mean "wind," the "life-giving force in living creatures," "one's spirit, or general attitude," "spirit persons, including God and the angels," and "God's active force," or, Holy Spirit. Even as an electric current can be used to accomplish a tremendous variety of things, so God's spirit is used to commission and enable persons to do a wide variety of things, as well as going forth to create what God wants to create. It is a force rather than a Person. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects, and it has, from the beginning of the universe til now.

... what is your description of the form or image of the Holy Spirit?

Biblically the holy spirit is God's active force ; it doesnt have a form. Being invisible to the human eye, God has in occassion indicated its presence with something that can ce seen (for example on Penticost 33 , those empowered with holy spirit had flamelike light above their heads, at Jesus baptism it wasn't a flame but a dove).

You can think of it as being like electricity (its not electricity, this is just an illustration). God being like the generator and his spirit* like the electricity. Like electricity or some other force, when applied it has an effect and can be used to animate move or achieve something.

* The bible speaks of it being "holy" when it is used for a special purpose connected with worship.


The source of this infinite power is Almighty God Jehovah Himself.

JOB 36:22
Look! God is exalted in his power; what instructor is like him?

PSALM 147:5
Our Lord is great and is mighty in power; His understanding is beyond measure.

NAHUM 1:3
Jehovah is slow to anger and great in power

JOB 9:4
He is wise in heart and mighty in power. Who can resist him and come off uninjured

What the Spirit's form where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
All that is a definition of person.
I just don't know if you consider your self as a "force" as what you have describe the Holy Spirit.

2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;

πρόσωπον prosōpon
Thayer Definition:
1) the face
1a) the front of the human head
1b) countenance, look
1b1) the face so far forth as it is the organ of sight, and by it various movements and changes) the index of the inward thoughts and feelings.

All that is symbolism: personnification.


JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HOLY SPIRIT, SPIRIT and ... THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD

Where in the Bible that describe it as personification?

All the scriptures you mentioins are descriptions of personification.

No verse presented, are you aware of the consequences of adding words? (Rev 22:18)

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[JehovahsWitness]

All the scriptures you mentioins are descriptions of personification.

No verse presented, are you aware of the consequences of adding words?

I did not add a word to the bible, only to the thread. Is there a biblical condemnation for adding words to a forum thread?

[Capbook]

All the scriptures you mentioins are descriptions of personification.

No verse presented, are you aware of the consequences of adding words?

I did not add a word to the bible, only to the thread. Is there a biblical condemnation for adding words to a forum thread?

Do that means that all the quoted characteristics of the HS where can be found in you, you can be also called an "active force'?
Or since you've mentioned in this thread about personification, do that mean that the HS personified as person?

[JehovahsWitness]

do that mean that the HS personified as person?

That depends on what you mean by HS.. Can you tell me which Hebrew Bible word from scripture you are refering when you write HS.

[Capbook]

do that mean that the HS personified as person?

That depends on what you mean by HS.. Can you tell me which Hebrew Bible word from scripture you are refering when you write HS.

I mean the Holy Spirit, of what form He is where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
You've said it is personification.
So, does it mean that the Spirit was personified as person?

[JehovahsWitness]

do that mean that the HS personified as person?

That depends on what you mean by HS.. Can you tell me which Hebrew Bible word from scripture you are refering when you write HS.

I mean the Holy Spirit, of what form He is where He can hear, speak and being heard, show/know things to come, searches all things, knows the thoughts of a man and God, can teach.
The Spirit has will. (reason) (1 Cor 12:11-13)
The Spirit grieved. (Emotion, feeling) Eph 4:30)
You've said it is personification.
So, does it mean that the Spirit was personified as person?

I cannot see a Hebrew word in your post, I asked For the HEBREW WORD you are referring to.