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[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

[onewithhim]

Yes, God said it to Adam, and how many thousand years then would passed as there is no verse that Adam inform the fowls of its food?

There is no verse that GOD informed the fowls of its food.
There is no verse that Adam informed the fowls of its food.

So? So what is your point?



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What an evasion?

No evasion. Your post was unclear as to what you meant.

[onewithhim]

The law said that people should sacrifice for their sins. If there is no sin anymore, then there is no need for the sacrifice.

No, sin still abounds!

But sin no longer affects one's salvation anyway under the New Testament Covenant:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Everlasting life is now a gift of God under the New Testament Covenant:

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

To inherit this gift of God, we must simply believe in Jesus as our Savior:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Believers can still sin, but there is no need for any sacrifice because sin no longer affects our salvation! We do not have to be without sin to inherit everlasting life, even though the wages of sin is death. Believers avoid the wages of their sins by gaining everlasting spiritual bodied life which cannot die. Since we cannot die, the wages of sin do not affect us.

This is not to say that there are no consequences for sinning! We reap the rewards of our sins here on earth. These may include prison time, jail, fear of detection, guilt, venereal disease, shame, lost opportunities, divorce, low self-esteem; and the list goes on, and on, and on.

I wonder what would you define;
1. sinners
2. saints

I would say that "sinners" include all humans on this earth. We inherited it from Adam. That's not to say that we can't help all sinning. There is Adamic sin that we can't help because we're imperfect, Then there is deliberate sinning that we CAN help. (I John 5:16,17) Jesus' blood covers the sin we inherited from Adam. It doesn't cover deliberate sin. (Hebrews 10:26)

"Saints" are those who are anointed to be in heaven with Jesus.

[onewithhim]

If sin is forgiven, person doesn't have sin. And I think person who is born anew, should not have sin

DOES BEING FORGIVEN FOR OUR SINS MEANS WE BECOME SINLESS?

I have understood, if sin is forgiven, it is also removed and we don't then have it anymore.

Of course we have sin. I John 1:8 (KJV) says: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

[onewithhim]

Sorry, I don't think there is any lawful reason for that, if sins have been forgiven already.

The "lawful reason" would be it is an obligation under the Mosaic law. The Mosaic law says sacrifices MUST be offered. It doesn't say "sacrifice must be offered except if there is no sin". Sacrifices were a prescribed part of the law, without exception...

Sorry, I don't think sins offerings are needed by the law, if there is no sin.

Please consider the above and if you think there is a 4th option, present it. If not which of the three do you think best reflect the Christian way.

4. The law is good, I don't see any reason why not live according to it. But, I think people should not obey it because they try to gain salvation. Only good reason is that person loves God and therefore wants to keep God's commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3

Those commandments are not the Law. They are what we follow after Jesus died and "nailed it to the cross." There are two commandments that we follow: "'You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this, 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40) When we follow these, we will be doing what commandments there are in the Law.

[onewithhim]

When does the Father feeds the fowls in the creation week?

God created the vegetation (food) long before he created the birds and the animals. When the birds were eventually created, the vegetation was all around them for food. Their natural instincts , programmes into them by God, pushed them to eat and drink.

Adam did not need to tell the birds around him to eat; all animals were already eating because of their natural instincts to do so (compare Isaiah 1:3)


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So, your god has no foreknowledge?
Does not know that the fowls were already eating (third day of creation) the vegetation many thousand years ago.
As your god does not know, in the sixth day of creation the true God informed Adam what foods for the fowls are.
What's the use of the true God informing Adam about the fowls food then?

Arguments above proves that the week of creation is a literal week, and a day is a literal day, as Jesus said of a twelve hours in a day (John 11:9) and the remaining as night. And the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord for His People. (Mark 2:27,28).

John 11:9
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
KJV

Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
KJV

You forget that the Law was made obsolete, according to the many scriptures that have been offered here. The Son of man was Lord of the Sabbath before he died and fulfilled the purpose of the Law.

Also, you would benefit by clicking on the link that JehovahsWitness provided above--"The seven creative days of Genesis." Those days were not 24 hour days. They were of undetermined length. We can see that this is reasonable when we look at Genesis 2:4. It says: "This is the history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." Obviously that "day" was not a 24 hour day. We don't know how long that "day" was. It's like saying "in the day of my grandfather." An unspecified period of time.

[myth-one.com]

Since there was no need for [sacrificial laws] anymore what are the options? One option is to Remove or change those laws from being mandatory to being optional (adapt the law). However we have agreed that Jesus indicated not ONE LETTER of the Mosaic law was subject to be changed. So to this day the Jews that do no keep all the laws (including those to make sin sacrifices) are breaking God's law.

.... If there is no sin anymore, then there is no need for the sacrifice. That does not mean the law should be removed, only that there is no need for sacrifice.

The sacrifices were not subject to not having sin (which is why we have the perfect man Jesus participating in the festivals despite his not needing forgiveness of anything). The sacrifices were an obligation for every Israelite and there was no clause for anyone to be exempt from its obligations due to perfection or sinlessness.

So I repeat, since the law was not subject to modifications (for example the addition of a new clause that stated "Hereafter, if one is without sin you dont have to offer sacrifices ), there is no way to remove parts and keep the ten commandements or any other parts one prefers.

The ONLY option is is to nail the entire thing to the "cross" and replace it with something new.

We should make every effort to keep all of God's commandments, even though sins no longer affect our salvation:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

[1213]

...The second, like it, is this, 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40) When we follow these, we will be doing what commandments there are in the Law.

Ok, that is good. But, that also leads to the question, what is the whole law hanging on those commandments. At least it means this:

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet,"{TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"} and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-10

[1213]

Of course we have sin. I John 1:8 (KJV) says: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

I would like to hear, what do you think sin means?

[1213]

... I think people should not obey it because they try to gain salvation.

The Mosaic law was never designed to lead people to salvation. Paul explained that such a thing was simply not possible, even for the most sincere Israelite since it was based on the blood of animals. Your statement implies that if a person is sincere in keeping the Mosaic law (which is impossible today since there is no temple to offer the animal sacrifices), then it would be a good thing to keep it. This however amounts to a rejection of God's means to salvation, namely faith in the Christ.

I think, if one does it to gain salvation, it is not right. But, if one does it (keeps the law) because he loves God, then it is ok. However, I don't think the law demands people to sacrifice, it only gives rules for it. I have understood the sacrifices were meant to be voluntary.

[1213]

Sorry, I don't think sins offerings are needed by the law, if there is no sin.

Then show me that in the law.

Is it not logical matter and obvious that if no sin, no reason for sin offerings?

4. The law is good ...

Nobody is denying this. The question however is was the Mosaic law permanent or was it temporary and designed to be replaced. Your statement that "the law is good" is not a 4th option to the question under consideration since the law can be good and temporary or good and permanent. Which applies to THE MOSAIC law?

If you agree that the law is good, why not live according to it?

Because Jesus said "I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law," Matt. 5:17-19, I think the law is still valid and it would be good to live according to it. However, if you fail to do so, it does not mean that you can't get into the Kingdom of Heaven, because Jesus tells also: "Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven" Matt. 5:17-19. This is why I think, it is good to live according to the law, but it is not necessary a problem, if one doesn't do it perfectly.