Jesus is God -Joshua 5 - who was this man?

[Wootah]

Hi all,

Here is a good talk on Joshua 5:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[e] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

Would Joshua bow down to not God? Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God? Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?

[Capbook]

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How Jesus cannot be God if He is equal with the Father? Phil 2:6

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.
(GOD'S WORD)

Interesting, for example King James version says in that:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil 2:6

Bible tells Jesus is the image of God. So, in that way it can be said he has the form of God.

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. ...
Col. 1:14-16

But, the "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" may be more difficult to understand. I understand it means Jesus thought it would be wrong to say he is equal with God, which I think is reasonable, because image is not the same as the source of image. It would also be in contradiction with the part that says God is greater than Jesus (John 14:28), or with this:

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

What is "form of a servant" mean? A man or not? (Phil 2:7)
And what is then "form of God" mean? (Phil 2:6)

Philippians 2:6
This verse has been the subject of much criticism, and some controversy. Dr. Whitby has, perhaps, on the whole, spoken best on this point; but his arguments are too diffuse to be admitted here. Dr. Macknight has abridged the words of Dr. Whitby, and properly observes that, "As the apostle is speaking of what Christ was before he took the form of a servant, the form of God, of which he divested himself when he became man, cannot be anything which he possessed during his incarnation or in his divested state; consequently neither the opinion of Erasmus, that the form of God consisted in those sparks of divinity by which Christ, during his incarnation, manifested his Godhead, nor the opinion of the Socinians, that it consisted in the power of working miracles, is well founded; for Christ did not divest himself either of one or the other, but possessed both all the time of his public ministry.
(Clarke)

Jesus took the form of a servant, meaning that he became a man, and not just a regular man but a perfect man. "In the form of God" means that Jesus was, in heaven before he came to earth, a spirit Person just like the Father (God) is. Whatever he did, he always gave the credit to the Father, and worked his miracles with the power that came from the Father (God). (John 11:41, 42; Matthew 28:18)

"In the form of God" means that Jesus was, in heaven before he came to earth, a spirit Person just like the Father (God) is." (quoted yours)

So, as like the Father, Jesus is God.

[Capbook]

What is "form of a servant" mean? A man or not? (Phil 2:7)

I think it is what it says, form of a servant. Form means shape and a servant means a person who serves others. And this means, Jesus was like a servant.

And what is then "form of God" mean? (Phil 2:6)

And if we apply the previous logic to this, "form of God" means Jesus was like the God, which fits to the scripture that tells Jesus is the image of God.

Do you think image is the same as the thing from which the picture was taken? If I take a picture of a house, you think it is the house?

God's indwelling power, if the image of the invisible God, consequently nothing that appeared in him could be that image; for if it could be visible in the Son, it could also be visible in the Father; but if the Father be invisible, consequently his image in the Son must be invisible also. Jesus being in the form of God of which He divested himself, the ineffable glory which He has before the world was, was that divine nature, the fullness of the Godhead bodily, which dwelt in him.

[JehovahsWitness]

"In the form of God" means that Jesus was, in heaven before he came to earth, a spirit Person just like the Father (God) is." (quoted yours)

So, as like the Father, Jesus is God.

"Like" does not mean identical.

If a mother says to her son is "you're just like your father" Does that mean she is married to her son? Does that mean the son is the same age as his Father or that both Father and son are equal in role and authority?




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[Capbook]

"In the form of God" means that Jesus was, in heaven before he came to earth, a spirit Person just like the Father (God) is." (quoted yours)

So, as like the Father, Jesus is God.

"Like" does not mean identical.

If a mother says to her son is "you're just like your father" Does that mean she is married to her son? Does that mean the son is the same age as his Father or that both Father and son are equal in role and authority?



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This is 1213's reply, "I think it is what it says, form of a servant. Form means shape and a servant means a person who serves others. And this means, Jesus was like a servant."

Do that mean that Jesus is not man?

[1213]

God's indwelling power, if the image of the invisible God, consequently nothing that appeared in him could be that image; for if it could be visible in the Son, it could also be visible in the Father; but if the Father be invisible, consequently his image in the Son must be invisible also. Jesus being in the form of God of which He divested himself, the ineffable glory which He has before the world was, was that divine nature, the fullness of the Godhead bodily, which dwelt in him.

Bible tells God is spirit. So, the image of a spirit must be something spiritual, not physical. But, spirit can come visible in actions for example.

Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man.
Acts 17:29

Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
1 Cor. 2:13-15

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

And it is good to remember, the same Spirit can dwell also in disciples of Jesus.

…Don’t you know that you are a temple of God, and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
1 Cor. 3:9-11, 16

[JehovahsWitness]

Do that mean that Jesus is not man?

Some servants are men, some servants are women. Jesus (when he was in the form of a servant) was a man (male).








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Bible tells God is spirit. So, the image of a spirit must be something spiritual, not physical. But, spirit can come visible in actions for example.

Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man.
Acts 17:29

Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
1 Cor. 2:13-15

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

And it is good to remember, the same Spirit can dwell also in disciples of Jesus.

…Don’t you know that you are a temple of God, and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
1 Cor. 3:9-11, 16

So, if we use the same logic as,"Jesus in the form of a servant" (as man) and "Jesus in the form of God" Wouldn't we arrive that Jesus is God? That sounds more logical than the otherwise.

[Capbook]

Do that mean that Jesus is not man?

Some servants are men, some servants are women. Jesus (when he was in the form of a servant) was a man (male).








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So, if we use the same logic as,"Jesus in the form of a servant" (as man) and "Jesus in the form of God" Wouldn't we arrive that Jesus is God? That sounds more logical than the otherwise.

[JehovahsWitness]

So, if we use the same logic as,"Jesus in the form of a servant" (as man) and "Jesus in the form of God" Wouldn't we arrive that Jesus is God?

Not at all.

A servant is a descriptive title , the servant is a human; saying Jesus arrived on earth in the form of a servant means he became a HUMAN in a lowly position
God is a descriptive title , God is a spirit being (not a human being) ; saying Jesus existed in the form of God means he was a SPIRIT BEING in an elevated position

[1213]

So, if we use the same logic as,"Jesus in the form of a servant" (as man) and "Jesus in the form of God" Wouldn't we arrive that Jesus is God? That sounds more logical than the otherwise.

I would remain in what is said, he is "in the form of". Or what say you, is Jesus a servant?